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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:15 pm
Vincente Quinn Cillian Her name was Duchess Elisabeth Bathory. She was accused of numerous sadistic crimes and was imprisoned in her castle. She also had a lesbian lover, her maid. smile Thank you Quinn. She wasn't caught and nobody cared about her sadism until she ganked a nobleman's daughter. THEN people took notice. and chances are that maid was more of a love slave than anything from what I know of her. XD Love slave, lesbian lover... With Elisabeth, they are sort of the same thing. heart heart heart I would have loved to have met her...
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:17 pm
Dracula Castle, IRL, is being sold. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:24 pm
Ah! I apologize! She was a countess... Heh.
And about his castle... I WANT IT!
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:24 pm
Burning Crimson Right Vlad the impaler. An ancient king who used to drink and eat in front of his starving enemies.
I thought that was just common knowledge. XD I actually like the whole impaler part... its and extremely slow and sick way to die.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:27 pm
The Depressed Optimist Burning Crimson Right Vlad the impaler. An ancient king who used to drink and eat in front of his starving enemies.
I thought that was just common knowledge. XD I actually like the whole impaler part... its and extremely slow and sick way to die. I do love sadists... heart heart
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:49 pm
Quinn Cillian Ah! I apologize! She was a countess... Heh. And about his castle... I WANT IT! Well, do you have 50 million dollars? heart :Heart: heart
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:01 pm
IlilotIblake Quinn Cillian Ah! I apologize! She was a countess... Heh. And about his castle... I WANT IT! Well, do you have 50 million dollars? heart :Heart: heart No. And it's not even Vlad's castle. It's one that was the basis for the Vampires castle... Vlad's grandfather owned it once. It's funny... Most of my entire family is Irish. However, on my mom's side, there is this Hungarian part... I discovered recently that I'm 1/4 Hungarian. Like the countess... and Vlad... XD.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:54 pm
Vincente Vlad Tepes is actually probably not the source of the Dracula myth. Though he was known for his unusual brutality towards his enemies, he was actually a fair ruler to his subjects. However, I always thought it was common knowledge that Tepes was the archetype for Dracula, combined with another person. I forget her name, but I think she was a duchess, and had a tendency to kidnap virgins from the village and bathe in their blood to stay beautiful. That is more than likely the true origin of the blood portion of the myth along with the aristocracy portion of it. Vlad Tepes III, the Price of Romania... I don't' believe he was ever accepted as a king. While indeed true that he was renown for his brutality, and I do believe there is some ground to the duchess part, combined by the masterful Bram Stoker, there are Vlad's own reasons for the vampire myth. Vlad was known to consume the blood of his impaled victims; he would sit in a field spired with dead bodies, fill a goblet with blood, and dip bread into it. The other thing that he was known for was a "disease of the blood", as they called it, resulting in a very strange paleness. And than there was that whole... myth that he came back from the dead after being killed in battle and what not... Either way, there are reasons for his whole vampirism thing. But I'm not sure that this really... says much towards vlad von helson being a vampire... Afterall, if Gambino thinks that Vlad would "roll over in his grave" about the way his daughters are acting... Hes not nessiarly alike with the historic Vlad... who would sit on a field of impaled bodies and eat their blood... lol
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SS Chibi Vegeta Incarnate
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:44 pm
STOP PERMEATING THAT BLOODY STUPID MYTH ABOUT ERZSÉBET BÁTHORY! I hate it! Hatehatehate! She never bathed in blood! She was a sadist, yes, she kidnapped village girls (and later maybe daughters of the lower gentry), yes, she tortured and killed them, yes, BUT. The numbers were more likely in the 40s-50s than the ridiculous 600something the myths say. She never actually "bathed in blood to rejuvenate herself". She was sadistic, not stupid. AND she had a husband. A husband that was, if the records are true, every bit as sadistic as her. She did not have a lesbian lover, maid or otherwise. What she DID have are accomplices who helped her kidnap and torture the girls. Three of whom were found guilty and put to death. AND she was imprisoned in one room of her castle when she was finally found guilty.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:31 am
Solarn STOP PERMEATING THAT BLOODY STUPID MYTH ABOUT ERZSÉBET BÁTHORY! I hate it! Hatehatehate! She never bathed in blood! She was a sadist, yes, she kidnapped village girls (and later maybe daughters of the lower gentry), yes, she tortured and killed them, yes, BUT. The numbers were more likely in the 40s-50s than the ridiculous 600something the myths say. She never actually "bathed in blood to rejuvenate herself". She was sadistic, not stupid. AND she had a husband. A husband that was, if the records are true, every bit as sadistic as her. She did not have a lesbian lover, maid or otherwise. What she DID have are accomplices who helped her kidnap and torture the girls. Three of whom were found guilty and put to death. AND she was imprisoned in one room of her castle when she was finally found guilty. get a hold of yourself, man. Despite any way you may feel about a topic, that is not the proper response. We are discussing possible connections to the plot, NOT what did or did not actually happen. I, myself, had never heard of this person until this conversation. I do have a question though. Why is it that you feel so strongly on this topic? You will convince far more people of your point by not yelling. (I assume that caps lock is condsidered yelling)
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:46 am
Not to really continue this specific topic.. but I'd like to know...
Related to Tso's question of why you feel so strongly. Why indeed... because I'm not sure how you can say with such certainty that a historical figure did or did not do something. The only way you can know something with such certainty is if you knew the person personally at a very intimate level.. and I don't think you do... unless your magically Over 400 years old.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:04 am
General Tso Solarn STOP PERMEATING THAT BLOODY STUPID MYTH ABOUT ERZSÉBET BÁTHORY! I hate it! Hatehatehate! She never bathed in blood! She was a sadist, yes, she kidnapped village girls (and later maybe daughters of the lower gentry), yes, she tortured and killed them, yes, BUT. The numbers were more likely in the 40s-50s than the ridiculous 600something the myths say. She never actually "bathed in blood to rejuvenate herself". She was sadistic, not stupid. AND she had a husband. A husband that was, if the records are true, every bit as sadistic as her. She did not have a lesbian lover, maid or otherwise. What she DID have are accomplices who helped her kidnap and torture the girls. Three of whom were found guilty and put to death. AND she was imprisoned in one room of her castle when she was finally found guilty. get a hold of yourself, man. Despite any way you may feel about a topic, that is not the proper response. We are discussing possible connections to the plot, NOT what did or did not actually happen. I, myself, had never heard of this person until this conversation. I do have a question though. Why is it that you feel so strongly on this topic? You will convince far more people of your point by not yelling. (I assume that caps lock is condsidered yelling)Well, we were discussing about the countess yesterday sweatdrop Oh, if I'm not mistaken, the 600 victims she's famous for come from a book that was said to have all the girls' names, right? A book mentioned during the trial that was never found, or something like that..
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:35 am
Well, I watch the History Channel and Discovery Times and all those other "boring" channels all the time, so anything I know about vampires probably comes from that (or wikipedia), and you may or may not want to trust me... But while the modern view of vampires may have stemmed from possibly exaggerated accounts of people like Vlad and the Countess, vampire myths are found worldwide with a number of different variations. I kind of doubt that there will be any attempt at originality on Gaia's part (based on what we've seen so far) but it would be neat if they broke away from the typical European vampire mythology and borrowed from other cultures as well.
And on a side note, I got a rare event in this thread. An enchanted wooden trunk that contained a nitemare sarcophagus... lol...
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:36 pm
You're talking about the origins of the Dracula mythology, Vlad Tempest, also known as Vlad the Impaler. Some of the stories about him having lunch or dinner in a field where his enemies were surrounding him on stakes. *shivers* He was not a nice man.
As for the Countessa of Blood... if I remember what I read correctly she bathed in the blood of virgins to help her youthful appearance...
The actual origins of the vampire mythos stem from stories of unexplained plagues.... they dug up graves during winter and found one or two bodies in perfect condition in the town cementary ..... the bodies were basically preserved because of the cold...
OOPS! I apologize Solarn.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:40 pm
General Tso Solarn STOP PERMEATING THAT BLOODY STUPID MYTH ABOUT ERZSÉBET BÁTHORY! I hate it! Hatehatehate! She never bathed in blood! She was a sadist, yes, she kidnapped village girls (and later maybe daughters of the lower gentry), yes, she tortured and killed them, yes, BUT. The numbers were more likely in the 40s-50s than the ridiculous 600something the myths say. She never actually "bathed in blood to rejuvenate herself". She was sadistic, not stupid. AND she had a husband. A husband that was, if the records are true, every bit as sadistic as her. She did not have a lesbian lover, maid or otherwise. What she DID have are accomplices who helped her kidnap and torture the girls. Three of whom were found guilty and put to death. AND she was imprisoned in one room of her castle when she was finally found guilty. get a hold of yourself, man. Despite any way you may feel about a topic, that is not the proper response. We are discussing possible connections to the plot, NOT what did or did not actually happen. I, myself, had never heard of this person until this conversation. I do have a question though. Why is it that you feel so strongly on this topic? You will convince far more people of your point by not yelling. (I assume that caps lock is condsidered yelling)
And to reply to Vegeta's comment, we have documentation from her trial, witness accounts, her own account of events and even some private documents by her like letters and diaries.
And Ralynne, it's Vlad Tepes, not Vlad Tempest. And while he was most certainly not a nice man, he was incredibly effective.
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