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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:03 pm
No, because the government is killing people who have already given up their rights, by killing someone else.
Yeah, I know people get raped in jail that was an example. The same thing with a murderer. If someone kills someone by letting them bleed to death, that is what should happen to them.
No the month in jail makes more sense. Not everyone is as rich as you. Not everyone can afford to buy a new car to get to work the next day. In many families, one car is used to get multiple people to work. By impounding that car, your destroying 2 people's transportation to work. Not every town has such an intricate public system of transportation like NY and cities in Europe.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:28 pm
i agree with her you cant get anything out of death and 2 wrongs dont make a right.. i mean there is no point of it, they should suffer there life in jail.... and then die. but there is also the fact that if you die, and have done something bad, you go to h**l alot faster. even there you can suffer not just escape from what ever happened on earth, have you ever heard of " depts follow you to your tomb"? i mean very simple...
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:31 pm
So are you moderate?
I don't understand why you would start of saying your against it and then start contridicting yourself.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:04 pm
Personally I think they should have a choice. Maybe they want to spend the rest of their life in Jail, you know still have their families visit, and stuff like that. Or they could chose to die, maybe they don't have families no life, maybe they want to die, maybe they want to be sitting there waiting for death (sadly), or they don't think theres a point is staying in prison the rest of there life.
Here it is:
Live:
Families/friends
Still know what the next years bring in news...(astronomy and stuff like that)
Death:
No families
don't want to live (or no reason to)
Just don't care
I would chose to live if I ever had to go to prison and had a choice.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:20 pm
I'm far from rich, and I know that impounding a car for a month means that more than one person suffers. So does taking away somebody's license. Are you against that? When someone get's their license revoked, they now need a ride to work, putting others, usually family and friends, in a rough position. Or, they can't get to work and end up loosing their job, possibley ending the cash flow to an entire family. My family only had one car between two parents and a licensed teen for quite a while. We just recently bought a second truck, and we could only do that due to a bonus when my dad's factory closed. It's amusing that you think I'm rich. I know there are plenty of people out there worse of than me, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be effected if someone in my family had a car impounded.
Do you agree that the criminal is still human? If so, they have human rights, and one of those rights is life.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:28 pm
I agree with katersaur about the over-crowding situation. I don't wanna bring race into this, but ya know, I'm black so w/e. I think a lot of the prisons are over-crowded on really stupid things. Like a bunch of drugs dealers are being sent to jail on really long sentences. Like drug dealing isn't okay, and I'm not condoning it, but it's filled with lots of them and just a lot of minorities period. Also...a lot of people are mistreated in jail anyway. Jail does not equal a vacation. People get sodomized, beat for no reason, just a bunch of stuff because being locked up for so long does stuff to people.
And marshjazz, about the car being impounded...Well they should've thought of that before they decided to drive drunk right? Plus being in jail doesn't make more sense because that goes on your record for life and nobody will probably want to hire you or you'll be working a dirty job for the rest of your life. Even though, I really don't agree with impounding the car. Their license should be revoked and they should be sent to rehab or something. Plus, if a car impunded affects the family, wouldn't the death of a murderer affect his/her family?
@BAL: What if there isn't a hell? What then? I myself am an atheist, so the "they're gonna go to hell" thing doesn't phase me. I don't feel like they'd be punished. Even if I were Christian, what if they ask God for forgiveness? And he's supposedly a forgiving God and he forgives them? I still feel like they haven't been punished.
@Donate: What's giving them a choice going to do? What if they choose to live, would you lte them see their families? That's basically rewarding them for being a murderer or rapist. Same thing goes if they want to die, they're just asking for it.
I'm just playing devil's advocate and I want you to think about these questions.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:33 pm
I meant impoundment after license revoking. I was trying to think of something fast, and that was what I came up with. Obviously, it's a flawed idea, and I'm not suggesting that become the protocol... I was really just using it as an example. There are other answers to the over crowding of jails.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:12 pm
katersaur I meant impoundment after license revoking. I was trying to think of something fast, and that was what I came up with. Obviously, it's a flawed idea, and I'm not suggesting that become the protocol... I was really just using it as an example. There are other answers to the over crowding of jails.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:14 am
marshjazz Usually if someone is put into prison they are found completely gulity. Not only by the police force but by a jury of 12 people. RARELY, are they actually inocent. If they are protecting someone, they are apparently willing to die for that someone. It would cut down on the people who confess to crimes they didn't commit maybe.
Again, prisons are already over crowded and tax dollars go towards caring for them. Do you really want a raise in taxes, so that they can drive bus loads of people to a work site? Firstly so you know, I don't live in America and have no clue what its like with the legal system or anything, I know in some states you still have the death penalty, over here we don't have it at all unless you commit a crime against the Queen I believe. We do send our prisoners to work, they however go themselves, they are called Open Prisons and work well. People don't escape and if they do its normally the government that messes it all up, most of the time they are caught again anyway and are locked up once more. Most crimes in our country and now given social work as their punishment, cleaning public toilets, repainting parks cleaning up rubbish off the street and things. They have to see a policeman every week I think and it works well. Also from what I was taught in my Law classes, our prisons yes have TV's but its one per section of the prison and they are only allowed to watch it at certain times. They have to work otherwise, cleaning/cooking etc and earn money doing so. Most of the time the only thing we pay extra on for tax is when they get something wrong and there has to be a retrial. I believe if I am not wrong, might be, can't remember my history too well but the death penalty was abolished here because they were killing so many innocent people. There is a film called 'Let him have it' based on a true story about someone who was hanged but was completely innocent. He hadn't done anything other then say those words but the police took that to be telling the other person to shoot a policeman when in reality the guy was mentally disabled and wouldn't have hurt a fly. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was hanged for it. Also its a common fact that people who rape others especially kids get a crap time in prisons, they are beaten to near death a lot of the time. They suffer a lot. Prisoners are put in isolation just so they aren't murdered and are on suicide watch so they don't kill themselves because then they suffer. I would rather someone suffer for killing someone close to me then get away with it by dieing because dieing is an easy way out for them. They don't suffer then. Thats what I would want for a murderer or rapist who had hurt me or someone I was close to.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:13 am
katersaur I'm far from rich, and I know that impounding a car for a month means that more than one person suffers. So does taking away somebody's license. Are you against that? When someone get's their license revoked, they now need a ride to work, putting others, usually family and friends, in a rough position. Or, they can't get to work and end up loosing their job, possibley ending the cash flow to an entire family. My family only had one car between two parents and a licensed teen for quite a while. We just recently bought a second truck, and we could only do that due to a bonus when my dad's factory closed. It's amusing that you think I'm rich. I know there are plenty of people out there worse of than me, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be effected if someone in my family had a car impounded.
Do you agree that the criminal is still human? If so, they have human rights, and one of those rights is life. I was being sarcastic. I never actually thought you were rich.
I agree that criminals are human. What else are they. But I believe they forfit their right to live when they commit those acts.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:18 am
Aakiyana And marshjazz, about the car being impounded...Well they should've thought of that before they decided to drive drunk right? Plus being in jail doesn't make more sense because that goes on your record for life and nobody will probably want to hire you or you'll be working a dirty job for the rest of your life. Even though, I really don't agree with impounding the car. Their license should be revoked and they should be sent to rehab or something. Plus, if a car impunded affects the family, wouldn't the death of a murderer affect his/her family? Actually, drunk driving, unless it results in manslaughter/injury isn't a big deal to many companies looking to hire. Unless the job requires driving. I know someone who has a DUI on his record and still makes over $20 an hour. While your right that they should have thought of that before they drove drunk, it isn't always as easy as that. People who drive that drunk don't relize they are drunk most of the time. Most people don't find driving on one drink they had during dinner to be a big deal. They are sent to rehiblitation centers. That is mostly what prison has become. Even those high security prisons. It's not like they need to go to an AA meeting. Just cause you drink and drive once, doesn't meed your addicted or have a problem.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:31 am
Remove:
You said it yourself, you don't live in the US. You don't know what it is like here. You don't know the legal system.
Yeah, like anyone in America is going to feel safe letting a killer/rapist drive themselves to work. They probably wont ever show up. That is a great idea if it wasn't humans your dealing with.
Alot of crimes here are given community service, that is usually the punishment for small time crimes commited by minors. But there is no way I would feel safe with a killer/rapist out there on the side of the street picking up trash.
Your prisons have TV's like that. Here you can even get cigerettes in jail. They have computers with internet to keep in touch with family. Not every prison is like that, but alot/most are.
In the US we pay for the prisoners food, sheets, clothes and everything else. Money doesn't just poof from thin air around here. That is what they use some of our tax dollars for. And if less of our tax went to them, maybe more of it could go to paying off debt collected by the war in Iraq.
Once again, that is in England. And that was before. We have new technology now. We analyze the evidence. We have CSIs. The number of innocent people who go to jail for murder is small. 12+ people have to agree they are guilty. In other words, a fingerprint isn't enough to get a murder/rape conviction.
Again, I know people get raped in prison. I was using that as an example. If you don't commit rape to get sent to prison then you don't have much to worry about. Again, I would love to see them suffer, but I don't want to pay for it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:50 am
People are still put in prison for something they didn't do especially if its surrounding deaths of babies. It still happens.
Also murderers and rapists aren't put in the open prisons, obviously. That would make no sense in the slightest but people who do other less sever crimes are.
You can get cigerettes in our prisons, they criminals just have to pay for them. They don't get them for free. Punishment can work fine without any killing and without people paying a lot more tax.
In the end people won't get hung anymore anyway they get injections because its more ethical or something, so your tax will be going on that, and the drugs are also expensive.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:57 am
RARELY, oh wow. 1 out of every 1000 people who are given injections are innocent. That makes such a difference in the sceme of things.
Well we don't actually sentence people to death over here because they rob a conveniet store. We're talking murders/rapists.
You have to pay for them over here too. I don't want to pay ANY more tax. I dont' care if it is one more cant or a hundred dollars more.
That is why I don't agree with injections, especially while they are asleep. They should die a more violent death. Guns are relatively cheap. Something clean, cheap, and easy. Also the price of an injection is no where near how much it costs to take care of that person.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:58 am
marshjazz RARELY, oh wow. 1 out of every 1000 people who are given injections are innocent. That makes such a difference in the sceme of things.
It makes a hell of a difference if that 1 in a 1000 people is you. By those statistics you're about 14,000 times more likely to be given an injection when you're innocent than you are to win the lottery.
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