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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:52 am
Lost Elf [BlkCat] Lost Elf Alright, I'm gonna jump in here for a sec... What is wrong with thinking about suicide? A lot of people think on it, but rarley ever act upon it. As you can see, Mendele is still here, so he obviously hasn't done it. And he won't...at least in this lifetime. There is A LOT wrong with it. Sure, almost everybody does at some point in there life, ******** , I've attempted it. It shows that you're depressed, thus there is a chemical imbalance = bad. It shows that you're selfish(wanting to ease your pain while hurting everybody around you). It shows that you can't think of any other way out. It also shows that you're not happy, and ********, thats a bad thing right there. Well maybe the only things those people need are to talk about it? Talking doesn't fix everything, and my point wasn't how to fix it, I was remarking on the insanity of thinking that thoughts of suicide are a good thing, or somehow not wrong.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:54 am
[BlkCat] Lost Elf [BlkCat] Lost Elf Alright, I'm gonna jump in here for a sec... What is wrong with thinking about suicide? A lot of people think on it, but rarley ever act upon it. As you can see, Mendele is still here, so he obviously hasn't done it. And he won't...at least in this lifetime. There is A LOT wrong with it. Sure, almost everybody does at some point in there life, ******** , I've attempted it. It shows that you're depressed, thus there is a chemical imbalance = bad. It shows that you're selfish(wanting to ease your pain while hurting everybody around you). It shows that you can't think of any other way out. It also shows that you're not happy, and ********, thats a bad thing right there. Well maybe the only things those people need are to talk about it? Talking doesn't fix everything, and my point wasn't how to fix it, I was remarking on the insanity of thinking that thoughts of suicide are a good thing, or somehow not wrong. Well, I still don't see thinking about it wrong. And besides, some people are better off on the other side...
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:56 am
Lost Elf Well, I still don't see thinking about it wrong. And besides, some people are better off on the other side... Selfishness is wrong, thats why. You don't think I'd be better off on the other side? I'd love to have never been incarnated, I'd love to have stayed there where I never felt like I was locked inside a cage. However, for me to even think about wanting to kill myself just to leave, while hurting the people that care about me, is wrong.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:01 pm
[BlkCat] Lost Elf Well, I still don't see thinking about it wrong. And besides, some people are better off on the other side... Selfishness is wrong, thats why. You don't think I'd be better off on the other side? I'd love to have never been incarnated, I'd love to have stayed there where I never felt like I was locked inside a cage. However, for me to even think about wanting to kill myself just to leave, while hurting the people that care about me, is wrong. Honestly, I don't have an argument against you, but I do not agree with you. I understand the perspective of the one who wants to commit suicide. Some of them think it will help the world they live in, some of think that it doesn't matter to people weather they live or not. Maybe death is the answer they're looking for. And who knows, maybe in Death we ill find out the knowledge and truth we seek.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:27 pm
I will speak from experience with the whole...I wonder if I would be better of dead thought process...but honestly..thinking about it does more harm than good....You will die eventually..we all do..then you will of course come back and repeat such things hopefully more optimistic than you are obviously being in this life..one thing to maybe wake you up-this life is a gift and its precious..thinking about losing it all because of mere curiousity..is a waste of brain cells....instead think about how you can use life to the fullest and enjoy every minute of it.
Bottom line..contemplating suicide serves no higher purpose.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:37 pm
I dunno - folk always say that suicide is the weaker person's way out, but the way I see it, it takes a ******** of guts (or a ******** of desperation, I suppose.) to resign to off yourself. Still, I'm of the opinion that some things can get better if you keep on trying (at several different things, as well as at one thing repetitively), so I'm agreeing with the "suicide is wrong" side here - excluding assisted suicide in dire circumstances. I'm for that, I reckon.
As for thinking suicidal thoughts being wrong, that I'm not too sure about. I think we've all had suicidal thoughts now and again, and I think it's detrimental to one's life to keep thinking about it, but I'd never say it was morally wrong. The beauty of thinking is, you can enact whatever you like, without anyone being able to criticise you for it. So... naw, suicidal thoughts (ie, thinking about killing yourself) isn't bad; suicidal scheming on the other hand... well. I dunno. XD
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:47 pm
Mitsh I dunno - folk always say that suicide is the weaker person's way out, but the way I see it, it takes a ******** of guts (or a ******** of desperation, I suppose.) to resign to off yourself. Interesting enough, thinking about suicide actually discouraged me from the idea. In a "You don't have the cajones" sort of way. it was kinda like: My conscience: You want to off yourself? Me: yeah My Conscience: a person like you who gets fidgety over vaccination needles, wants to actually inflict enough damage to kill yourself? Me: ... My Conscience: Thought so. Now relax and get some cheesecake. And I did. It was very good. :3
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:32 pm
Eh...I'm not going to argue for or against suicide. Yeah, I have suicidal thoughts. Yes, I have them often. No, I haven't killed myself (just in case you hadn't noticed). I will say that after my 12-year-old cousin died and seeing my family's reaction and how much they hurt (I have a huge-a** extended family, and I'm more close to them than I am to my own parents), pretty much made me hate myself for ever having suicidal thoughts. Doesn't mean I don't still have them, but it changed my perspective.
(Bear with me here, I'm working backwards.)
I will also say that I see a psychologist regularly. While I still can't really tell her everything (and I still fight depression), she does help. Psychological help is not anything to scoff at. If you're depressed and suicidal, it may help. Perhaps it's a chemical imbalance and you're in need of medication. Hell, perhaps you have a psychological condition, and it has manifested itself in various assorted ways, shaping your beliefs and causing you to believe yourself to have "abilities." Oh noes.
The point is, you asked for perspectives. You asked for opinions. You don't have to like them all, but you do have to respect other people. You probably hate me for suggesting that you need psychological help. I really don't care, but you also have to understand that I'm merely making suggestions. And really, it wasn't even a serious suggestion.So was Blind Guardian. Or at least I assume he was. I don't really know because his post was deleted.
On a side note, I'm going to have to elaborate on your little "And I ******** hate the psychiatric industry, I proved those ******** wrong with my practice" comment.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:57 pm
DrasBrisingr I will also say that I see a psychologist regularly. While I still can't really tell her everything (and I still fight depression), she does help. Can you tell a psychologist anything without them repeating it to anybody? Will they take you seriously? Will they respect what you say? Just curious ^_^, I'm just afraid to go in there and explain in details of how I'd like to slice my father into about 50 pieces while hes still alive and force him to eat them.....er............I'm not sadistic...I swear =D
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:37 pm
Lost Elf [BlkCat] Lost Elf Alright, I'm gonna jump in here for a sec... What is wrong with thinking about suicide? A lot of people think on it, but rarley ever act upon it. As you can see, Mendele is still here, so he obviously hasn't done it. And he won't...at least in this lifetime. There is A LOT wrong with it. Sure, almost everybody does at some point in there life, ******** , I've attempted it. It shows that you're depressed, thus there is a chemical imbalance = bad. It shows that you're selfish(wanting to ease your pain while hurting everybody around you). It shows that you can't think of any other way out. It also shows that you're not happy, and ********, thats a bad thing right there. Which is the most important part of therapy. As for the status of suicide, if someone doesn't want to get rid of suicidal thoughts, fine. But I generally believe that most people DON'T want to die at their own hands and if that is the case then those people should be helped. Otherwise, fine. Do what you want. If that is what you really want and you really don't think someone should help you, then why bother telling anyone? If people want help, they talk. If they don't, they kill themselves. And that's pretty much the gist of it there, kids.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:38 pm
[BlkCat] DrasBrisingr I will also say that I see a psychologist regularly. While I still can't really tell her everything (and I still fight depression), she does help. Can you tell a psychologist anything without them repeating it to anybody? Will they take you seriously? Will they respect what you say? Just curious ^_^, I'm just afraid to go in there and explain in details of how I'd like to slice my father into about 50 pieces while hes still alive and force him to eat them.....er............I'm not sadistic...I swear =D Well, there is doctor-patient confidentiality. And unless you get a real jackass, they won't tell anyone. Unless they consider you a threat to yourself or others. But I know what it's like to hate your father. My mother made me start seeing a psychologist after I was having trouble coping with certain things, and then I started seeing her more often after my father and I got into a rather violent fight (2x4 vs. power drill), and then more often after another fight. Ok, I got a little carried away. Sorry. As far as I know, she hasn't told anyone about any of that, and only talks with my mother when she feels she needs to give advice to her (and if she wants to talk to my mother about something we talked about in a session, she asks me first). I still don't really trust her as much as I should, but then again, I don't really trust a lot of people. If you get a counselor or psychologist, as opposed to a psychiatrist, they shouldn't try to push meds on you as much. It's helped me, and she's given me some ideas and s**t with how to deal with things. I don't know much about your personal situation, but if you want more information or just want to talk, you can PM/IM me.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:39 pm
[BlkCat] DrasBrisingr I will also say that I see a psychologist regularly. While I still can't really tell her everything (and I still fight depression), she does help. Will they respect what you say? Just curious ^_^, I'm just afraid to go in there and explain in details of how I'd like to slice my father into about 50 pieces while hes still alive and force him to eat them.....er............I'm not sadistic...I swear =D A psychiatrist and psychological therapist are bound by law to keep all their patients information confidential. Breaching of this confidence risks them losing their jobs and their assets in a lawsuit.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:30 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd [BlkCat] DrasBrisingr I will also say that I see a psychologist regularly. While I still can't really tell her everything (and I still fight depression), she does help. Will they respect what you say? Just curious ^_^, I'm just afraid to go in there and explain in details of how I'd like to slice my father into about 50 pieces while hes still alive and force him to eat them.....er............I'm not sadistic...I swear =D A psychiatrist and psychological therapist are bound by law to keep all their patients information confidential. Breaching of this confidence risks them losing their jobs and their assets in a lawsuit. I quoted blind's post because it's smaller and I'm too lazy to edit the quote but this goes to both you and dras. Thanks for your answers ^_^. I probably wont, as I deal with things on my own pretty well, I just have this burning hatred for alcoholics and people with an IQ lower than 40 that think they're a genius.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:22 pm
I figure I'll get to the other side when it's my time. I mean, it can only be stopped for so long. I'm curious about the other side, but I'm content with the wonders of this world that I think I'll hang around here a little longer.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:48 am
It's funny...
I get fairly suicidal at times, but I rarely think about the afterlife and what will happen to me when I die. Some of the things I've seen really just add more questions than answers.
Generally when I want to off myself, it comes more out of a 'I hate myself and don't think I deserve to live' sort of thought. I wish I was the kind of person that could say, hey, I am afraid of pain and dying, needles and knives and so I know that I will never kill myself.
It's not about fear, for me. Being afraid/disliking something would actually just make that better in my occasional delusional mindframe. It's just, I have two friends that I think would be very, very upset if I died. Regardless of my personal opinion of myself, I tend to be loyal to my friends.
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