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 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:21 am
Cornetto1 I don't want to insult anyone, well, not those who do not deserve it, and personal appearance and/or weight is not a factor which we should, but inevitably do judge people by. Well that is obvious. It just get tiring the "stop bashing fat people" when while they are campaigning for that, they are in a way, making the thin people feel bad. "why don't we get a spiffy campaign?" type of stuff. Society is the one who says your supposed to be this, so when you are you'd think it would be great, but then society spits in your face. Oh, your too skinny you MUST have a disorder. I know from personal experience that alot of thin people don't have an eating disorder.
You'd be surprized. Stress causes your hormones to go crazy, so it could go either way. But comfort eating is part of it as well.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:29 am
marshjazz Cornetto1 I don't want to insult anyone, well, not those who do not deserve it, and personal appearance and/or weight is not a factor which we should, but inevitably do judge people by. Well that is obvious. It just get tiring the "stop bashing fat people" when while they are campaigning for that, they are in a way, making the thin people feel bad. "why don't we get a spiffy campaign?" type of stuff. Society is the one who says your supposed to be this, so when you are you'd think it would be great, but then society spits in your face. Oh, your too skinny you MUST have a disorder. I know from personal experience that alot of thin people don't have an eating disorder.
You'd be surprized. Stress causes your hormones to go crazy, so it could go either way. But comfort eating is part of it as well. It's just a phase, society has to victimise someone before they can be socially accepted. Fatties were made fun of, now the annorexic sluts are being made fun of, before long it'll be considered un-pc, and they'll bring out a medical euphemism for a medical term because it is now considered derogitory. Depends on the person, a lot of people obviously do have eating disorders, but you'd have to take into consideration things other than just their weight, although if you get so underweight they "meaning the government/doctors ect", treat you as someone with an eating disorder. If someone skinny is really athletic then yeah, that's understandable, but if they're thin, you never see them eat and barely exercise then it's reasonably justifiable to be under the impression that they have one.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:43 am
You have to account for body type/structure metabolism. People who are skinny who don't excersice at all, do not have eating disorders. Just because you barely see them eat doesn't mean that they have a disorder either. Take an adverage day, most people eat breakfast at home, lunch at work/school, and dinner at home. Just because you don't see them eat lunch doesn't mean they don't go home and stuff their face with dinner. Maybe that is just their routine, the way their body works. I know I have to have breakfast when I wake up or I will be hungry the whole day cause I burn off all of my dlnner when I sleep. But I have met a whole bunch of people who don't eat breakfast, because they wake up full. Some people don't eat lunch. Especially in public schools, where the food sucks, so if you don't bring any your either paying for the over priced crap that is slightly better than the over priced crap that the school serves or not eating. After a while, your body gets into the habit of it, and after a month, your not hungry anymore because your body has learned to control the burning of your breakfast.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:52 am
Yeah, metabolism is one of those other things you have to take into account, but when your metabolism makes you critically underweight, or ill it goes beyond metabolism and into eating disorder.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:26 pm
I'm just going to say that being healthy is the best.
People that are obese need serious help.
People that are underweight need serious help.
It's just so stupid how obese people are lazy and the bone dry people keep starving themselves or doing whatever else there is to do.
People don't understand the importance of eating right and exercising.
And it's not like people can't do anything about it.
They can, so don't say their hormones messed it up for them.
Sure they didn't get the best genes, they still can make an active effort to correct it to a certain extent. It's what I've done anyway.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:40 pm
Putting weight on/losing weight when you're at a critical state is a difficulty that you cannot even begin to fathom unless you have had the ill luck to experience it. The reason for that is that it is all if not mostly a psychological thing. And if it is impossible in your mind, then it is impossible in reality. *most* People with eating disorders, cannot do anything about it unless they recieve help over a very long period of time.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:56 pm
She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
I don't think that society today should make too big a deal about body weight, unless it is unhealthy. If you look at Dolly Parton, she is one of those who look very unhealthy [I'm only saying this because apparently, her waist is so thin that one can wrap both of their hands around her waist]. I think that is unhealthy, considering her bust size. And with her small hips, I don't even know how she can stand up without falling over or breaking bones. But she might be healthy, I don't know.
There are weights that are unhealthy such as morbid obesity, hence the name. And I think people should think of both weights. Healthy is beautiful. even though I myself am self conscious of my weight [But that is only because I am around tall, average sized/thin people. I am fairly averaged weight, but I am shorter, so I feel like I am unhealthier. And I have low self esteem].
I believe that some people who are born looking emaciated are that way because of a faster metabolism [likewise with plus sized people, except with a slower metabolism], or genetics. I have this friend, who is fairly tall and very thin. As far as I know, she is not anorexic/bulimic, but she is underweight [Body Mass Index], and needs to gain weight [as told by her doctor]. She eats junk food, and Ramen all the time, but she doesn't eat a lot. Her eating habits are different from normal people's. She gets hungry more often and eats less. Which could probably be the reason to her weight. We keep telling her to eat the three big meals with small snacks in between, but she apparently gets full quickly. And we also tell her to eat healthier foods, other than junk food and ramen. But every time she tries to gain pounds, she loses pounds. Recently, she tried to gain a few pounds and lost 10. I think something is wrong with her, but not because she is thin, because she is underweight in her BMI.
Also, on a small side note: Obesity is an eating disorder. And eating disorders start from a choice. If someone thinks s/he is too thin/fat, s/he will have a lower self esteem and therefore drill the thought into one's head that one needs to be more like what is socially accepted. Eating disorders are psychological.
Everyone is born with a set point [one's average body weight that will remain that way for a majority of one's life]. Once that person reaches his/her set point, in weight, s/he will not gain or lose a drastic amount of weight. Sometimes one can change his/her set point if s/he really tries, but if once s/he is at his/her set point s/he is considered healthy.
[I'm not saying that I am right in every detail here, so don't feel like I'm acting like a smart-a**. I am simply stating my opinion and information I know. Some of this stuff I do know is true, to an extent, due to having taken a course in psychology.]
In a summary: Healthy people are the best. Some underweight/overweight people can't fix it [Not all, and not because they are lazy, but because they are incapable of changing their set point]. Those are the ones who need medical help. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_disorder
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:02 pm
I wasn't nessicarly talking about unheathly over/under weight. Just in general. How people are always like "Don't pick on the fatties" but it is alright to accuse people who aren't anorexic of being anorexic.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:39 pm
Cornetto1 marshjazz Stress can also cause you to lose weight. That is what it does to me. So yes I have thought of these things. And you would know that I deffinately thought of the body size/structure gene if you had read my previous responses.
No body is physically unable to lose weight. It may be hard, but it is not impossible (unless you have no weight to lose, in which case, why do you think you are fat?) In my experience stress causes loss of weight much more than it causes an increase in weight. The only way stress would make someone put on weight is through comfort eating. Stress causing someone to put on weight is not only by comfort eating. Haven't you ever heard of retaining water. It happens alot for women and supposedly for men too just not as often. Things like that can happen when you are very stressed out.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:33 am
marshjazz I wasn't nessicarly talking about unheathly over/under weight. Just in general. How people are always like "Don't pick on the fatties" but it is alright to accuse people who aren't anorexic of being anorexic. She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.
Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
Yeah, I know. But society is cruel. And unless you can erase fat/thin out of the minds of over a trillion people in the world, there ain't nothing we can do.
~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~
The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:44 am
When it all comes down to it, it comes down to tolerance and opinion. Some people are disgusted by fat people, boy did I learn that the hard way. Some people say being a big skinny is unhealthy, I happen to believe this as well, but only horribly skinny. I mean, if you look, there are people all over the place complaining that they're too fat when they only weigh about 110 lbs. Then they lose weight and people comment that they look too skinny, so they go on an eating spree and the cycle continues. I personally think our society is based too much on looks and not as much ideas and personality.
Just an opinion~
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:14 pm
Well making fun of people is pretty harsh though. That is one of the reasons for suicide. Yes, people do have a problem if they are fat/too skinny, but making fun of them doesn't help. What really helps is telling them that they have a problem in a concerning way, otherwise their self asteem is lowered, and even if they do change, they could still hate theirselves because of their past.
And that door thing isn't a waste of money, you have to be in someone elses shoes to see why they have something wrong with them, you cant just judge them an say it really is their fault that they do have problems, there could be many other reasons.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:50 pm
I don't have very many overweight people in my family. My dad is thick-chested, and yes, he has a bit of a belly. He's the biggest person in my family so far.
I know I'm overweight for a fact; or was, it's been a while since I was in the hospital. I'm probably around 30 pounds overweight, but I'm not 'fat'. I'm solid, I'm pretty much muscle and a bit of fat here and there. Oh, and about 10% boobs. xD
I don't think bashing 'fatties' or anorexic/people with eating disorders is right; though I can imagine it becoming socially acceptable like bashing smokers. I think that if you have an urge to call someone fat or anorexic, you should write it down instead of expressing it to the persons face, because I know from personal experience what it's like to be called fat. It's one of the worst feelings ever.
On the other hand, I think it's important to stay healthy; getting to the point where hospitals and buildings have to make doors wider is just pathetic. The human body is only supposed to be as big as the skeleton, along with a (bit) of fat and more muscles. Suing companies like McDonalds for 'getting fat from their food' is just showing how badly this society needs to change.
The media is largely to blame as well; What with the beauty and anti-aging products along with beautiful models with perfect skin and bodies.
In short; I think it's ridiculous. It goes both ways.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:17 pm
Honestly I believe that we should stop poking fun of the "fat" people. I myself am overweight, but all my friends think its muscle (I exercise quite a bit). In the old days, those who ate often (and would be called overweight now) were the ones that survived the famines.
The media is what makes everyone so obsessed with losing weight. Granted, some people are naturally skinny but abolish the media and many of our problems will end.
If you read the book "The Uglies" it talks about a world where everyone under 16 is considered ugly. At 16, they go through a "magic surgery" where they become "pretties". Therefore everyone under 16 consider themselves fat, ugly and constantly berate themselves.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:54 pm
bluebellfaerie24 If you read the book "The Uglies" it talks about a world where everyone under 16 is considered ugly. At 16, they go through a "magic surgery" where they become "pretties". Therefore everyone under 16 consider themselves fat, ugly and constantly berate themselves.
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