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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:23 pm
I personally know a few muslim girls, and they are far from the "stone-and-burn-the-infidels" stereotype. In fact, they have completely embraced western culture. They all wear heavy make-up, wear revealing clothes and high heels and roll up their school skirts at the waistband to make them shorter. However, one of them has once said to me "I am proud to be a sunni (spelling?) muslim". To be honest, I find the individuals I know to be very hypocritical and often disrespectful to their religion and its teachings.
The media has also shown me the opposite side - the radicals. However, a cynicist at heart, I don't believe too much of what I see. I believe at the moment, the people in Iraq are being occupied and opressed, but far from sitting back and taking it, they are fighting it. I believe that we (both the USA and the UK) should have pulled out of those countries and let them sort themselves out, because we are merely aggrivating the situation and just adding to the body count.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:53 pm
Exactly.
I'm tired of all this hype with people saying that if we pull out, we're going to get blasted to pieces. That's B.S. Muslims don't hate America, they hate their country being occupied for no reason.
I've heard stories of what some soldiers do to the Iraqi children, and you can easily sit there and say,"That's what they get", but I think it's horrible. I think war does things to people, and I think that people in wars think their acts are justified.
And I'm not dissing on American troops, they're there to do a job assigned to them. But like I've said before, most of them are children not much older than most of us, and they're being forced into a very difficult situation. Something that isn't expected when you sign up.
But back to Muslims, I know a Muslim guy who is very westernized as well. He knows Arabic, and I think he even fasts, but he's got a lot of Christian friends that he doesn't hate for being Christian.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:08 pm
kingpinsqeezels I never said that Islam and Judaism aren't alike, I realize they are, but so are all religions in some aspects. And still, it's Islam. Most of them hate us. What kind of sister hates you? I know it happens, but they're more like the jealous STEP sister or something. Not jealous because of religion, but jealous because we have it together. Unlike them. They're still working out kinks in the system. And blaming us for everything. Almost all religions originate from judaism.
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:16 pm
Divash I'm thinking that there's a lot of talk, without much knowledge. The Quran begins, "In the name of God, the most merciful, the most compassionate." A devout Muslim prays five times a day for peace. Jews pray three times a day for peace. I'm not saying Muslims are more peaceful by nature, but I will say that according to their prayer cycle, we pray for peace 40% less often. Islam is staunchly monotheistic, like Judaism. Christianity claims to be monotheistic, but in fact pray to a triune deity, much like Pagans and Wiccans, who pray to Mother Earth, Father Sky, and the Sun Child. "Jihad" means spiritual struggle, not killing people -- One of my good friends who's a Muslim says his personal jihad is against laziness, because every morning he struggles to wake up in time to say the dawn prayers. Ever heard of the Noachide religion? It's what Judaism teaches that non-Jews should ideally practice, in a perfect world. Islam meets every single qualification of the Noachide path, adhering to all seven of the Noachide Laws. You could Google it. The Muslim way of slaughtering animals, known as halal ("lawful") or zabiha ("humane") is almost identical to the Jewish way which is known as kosher shechita ("lawful slaughter"). The only difference is that Muslim slaughter doesn't require removal of ALL the blood from the animal, and there are a few more parts of the animal that are permitted under the laws of zabiha slaughter. Also, while a shochet (Jewish kosher slaughterer) must say a blessing before entering the slaughterhouse, a Muslim slaughterer must say a blessing before every single animal that is slaughtered. The laws of hajaba (modesty) in Islam are extremely similar to the laws of tzniut (modesty) in Judaism. The only difference is that Muslim women cover their necks and ears as well as the other body parts that Jewish law requires to be covered. Our religions are extremely similar. Our cultures are extremely similar. We are sisters. Muslims, too, are worshippers of the one and only God. Show them some respect; their path is to bring monotheism to the non-Jewish world and show them how to live a righteous life as children of Noah. I kind of disagree. Judaism is not the sister, but the mother of Islam. Do you really think that muslims respect us as we respect them? They worship a different god. What's the point of them bringing monotheism to the world if it's for their god. How would it help us if everybody started worshipping the god of the muslim's?
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:35 pm
They do not worship a different G*d, they just give him a different name.
I do think you're right however, calling us the mother of Islam. It would make more sense.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:46 am
kingpinsqeezels They do not worship a different G*d, they just give him a different name. I do think you're right however, calling us the mother of Islam. It would make more sense. That's what I meant by a different god. Why would it make more sense calling us the sister of Islam? Islam came from Judaism.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:36 am
I am pretty surprised at some of the reactions I've seen in this thread. Islam is Judaism's sister/daughter religion, and it's true, if not for Judaism, there would be no Islam. However, it's also true that Islam fulfills the requirements of the Noachide laws. They worship the same God, and they do not worship Muhammed , like Christians 'worship' Jesus. People are filled with the propaganda that TV pumps into them, and as such, only see the negatives of everything. The terrorists killed in the name of Allah (THE God) wrongfully, their Qur'an, their God, OUR God, forbids those killings. Jihad means spiritual struggle, much like someone else said, not "kill the infidel" like our popular media would love to portray. Certain things in the Qur'an are often stated alone, as to negatively portray Islam, but if they are put into context, and interpreted correctly, they make sense. Our Torah is the same. I could give you plenty of verses, that, if stated alone, could make our religion seem just as bad as Islam seems. But we know better, don't we? We know our religion is a religion of peace. It's time people realized that Islam is too.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:18 am
shtolts tiger I kind of disagree. Judaism is not the sister, but the mother of Islam. Do you really think that muslims respect us as we respect them? They worship a different god. What's the point of them bringing monotheism to the world if it's for their god. How would it help us if everybody started worshipping the god of the muslim's? It's the same God. Just like we have different names for God, the Muslims do the same in their language. When it comes right down to it though, Allah is Adonai. Islam, I think, is the sister of Judaism simply because the line that led to Muhammad came from Abraham directly.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:26 am
Dis Domnu shtolts tiger I kind of disagree. Judaism is not the sister, but the mother of Islam. Do you really think that muslims respect us as we respect them? They worship a different god. What's the point of them bringing monotheism to the world if it's for their god. How would it help us if everybody started worshipping the god of the muslim's? It's the same God. Just like we have different names for God, the Muslims do the same in their language. When it comes right down to it though, Allah is Adonai. Islam, I think, is the sister of Judaism simply because the line that led to Muhammad came from Abraham directly. I don't think the exact relationship really matters- the point still remains that they're similar. xd
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:37 am
I think Islam is a great religion! >_> It's just some jackasses that take it too far.
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