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Nanoq
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:16 am


Vajra B. Hairava
Are you done chasing goats yet, my dear Swede?
Yes, we got her last night with a net. 3nodding But I will record some tonight and also upload the songs, because it cancelled for some resaon yesterday.

Right now I'm off to a graduation party. smile That will last a few hours and then I'll go home and continue here. ^^ Have patience! razz
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:50 am


Good songs here. All in Swedish. You're welcome! biggrin

I'll do the recording now.

Nanoq
Crew


Nanoq
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:25 pm


Uttal - Pronunciation

This is where I will explain the pronunciation. Swedish is written pretty much as it’s spoken, though many small/common words are pronounced differently from their written form. In Swedish, like Finnish, vowels and consonants can be long and short. This is shown in orthography, so don’t you worry. I’ll explain later. The pronunciation of Swedish words might differ between dialects, so don’t get scared if someone pronounces a word in another way than mine. The letters within { and } are to describe pronunciation. Like the word hela (to heal) is described as {hEla}. Hopefully you’ll get it, but please ask if there’s anything you don’t understand.

Vowels
A
long a - {aa} - IPA: [ɑ:]
short a - {a} - IPA: [a]

The long a is pronounced as in "car", but a little darker. The short a sounds like the Spanish a.

E
long e - {ee} - IPA: [e:]
short e - {e} - IPA: [ɛ]

Long e is pronounced as in French "café", almost as in "bay" without the glide. Short e is more as in "bed". Almost.

I
long i - {ii} - IPA: [i:j]
short i - {i} - IPA: [ɪ]

Long i, as in "see". Short i as in "sit".

O
long o - {uu} - IPA: [u:w]
short o 1 - {o} - IPA: [ɔ]
short o 2 - {u} - IPA: [ʊ]

This one is a little trickier. One might assume that long o should be pronounced something as in "for", but it’s not. It’s kinda between oh and oo in English. Short o can be pronounced in two ways. The most common pronunciation is like a Spanish o or as in Brittish "bought", but shorter. The second pronunciation would be more like English "foot".

U
long u - {ưư} - IPA: [ʉ:]
short u - {ư} - IPA: [ɵ]

This one’s also a bit tricky. Long u is pronounced as in Australian "boot". It’s like an English oo pronounced more in the front of the mouth. Short u is pronounced somewhat like the e in French "je".

Y
long y - {yy} - IPA: [y:j]
short y - {y} - IPA: [ʏ]

It might be hard for foreigners to tell the difference between Swedish u and y. Long y is pronounced as in German "über". Short y is… shorter.

Å
long å - {oo} - IPA: [o:]
short å - {o} - IPA: [ɔ]

Long å as in "for". Short å is pretty much the same, but shorter. It’s the same as the first pronunciation of short o.

Ä
long ä - {ăă} - IPA: [ɛ:/æ:]
short ä - {ă} - IPA: [ɛ/æ]

Long ä is pronounced (almost) as in "cat". Short ä is pronounced as in "bed".

Ö
long ö - {ơơ} - IPA: [œ:/ɶ:]
short ö - {ơ} - IPA: [œ/ɶ]

Long ö is pronounced as in French "eux" or German ö. Short ö is the same, but shorter.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:29 pm


If you don't like my voice, then too bad for you. I know it sounds kinda boring, but hopefully it'll get better when I actually speak. razz

I also updated the alphabet post with an audio file.

Nanoq
Crew


Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:04 am


Yay! This is the kind of thing I've waited for. Good. So, will you tell us how to know when a letter is to be read long or short? I hope there's a way to tell, I hate obscurities like that....
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:03 pm


Consonants

This is also a bit tricky. Like I said, consonants can be short or long. When a consonant is doubled, it's pronounced longer. In most Germanic languages, this is only a way to shorten the preceding vowel, but Swedish actually lengthens the consonants. I guess we got that from Finnish. razz Example:

masa - {mAsa}
massa - {maSa}

Compare this with Italian. When the vowel is long, the following consonant is short. When the vowel is short, the consonant is long. Capito? razz Lookit:

long vowel - short consonant
short vowel - long consonant

There is some kind of balance there, if you know what I mean. When a vowel or a consonant is lengthened, I will write it in a capital letter, so you will know when it's long.

Simple Consonants
b - {b} - IPA: [b ]
c - {k} - As in "car". - IPA: [k]
d - {d} - IPA: [d]
f - {f} - IPA: [f]
g - {g} - IPA: [g]
h - {h} - IPA: [h]
j - {j} - As in "you", never as in "jungle" - IPA: [ʝ]
k - {k} - IPA: [k]
l - {l} - IPA: [l]
m - {m} - IPA: [m]
n - {n} - IPA: [n]
p - {p} - IPA: [p]
(q - {k}) - Never used, but pronounced as in "car". Always followed by u. - IPA: [k]
s - {s} - IPA: - Never as in "zoo". - IPA: []
t - {t} - IPA: [t]
v - {v} - IPA: [v]
w - {w/v} - As in "we" or "vehicle", doesn't matter. - IPA: [w/v]
x - {ks} - As in "ax". - IPA: [ks]
(z - {s}) - As in "sea", never as in "zoo". - IPA:


Digraphs And Trigraphs

c + e/i/y - {s} - IPA:

-gn- - {ŋn} - As in "sing now". - IPA: [ŋn]

dj-, g + e/i/y/ä/ö, gj-, hj-, lj- - {j} - Same as j. - IPA: [ʝ]

k + e/i/y/ä/ö, kj-, tj- - {ş} - It's called the tje-sound. Sounds almost as in "sheep". - IPA: [ɕ]

-ng(-), n(k) - {ŋ} - As in "sing". - IPA: [ŋ]

sj-, sk + e/i/y/ä/ö, skj-, ch-, stj- - {ħ} - This one is called the sje-sound. Hard to explain, listen to the sound file. It's almost like the ch in Scottish "loch" or as in German "Bach", but softer. - IPA: [ɧ]


Different "R" Sounds

r- - {ŕ} - Like Russian ж. - IPA: [ʐ]
-r- - {r} - Like the tt in American "butter" or Spanish single r. - IPA: [ɾ]

When d, n, s or t is preceeded by r, they sound differently. They get a harder sound, so called retroflexes. These are also found in Hindi and Norwegian. You pronounce them with your tongue behind your palate or something, can't really explain it... Hindi or Norwegian speakers, help? sweatdrop

r + d - {đ} - IPA: [ɖ]
r + n - {ń} - IPA: [ɳ]
r + s - {ś} - IPA: [ʂ]
r + t - {ŧ} - IPA: [ʈ]

This morphing can occur not only inside words, but also between words. The words "går nu" are, instead of {gOr nU}, pronounced {gO ńU}. But you can pronounce them separately as well, both inside and between words, and people will understand perfectly. It's just that Swedish people tend to get kinda lazy when speaking, so morphing letters together is easier than pronounce them one by one. smile At least in my dialect. There are dialects which always pronounce them separately.



That's all for now, next lesson will be about TONES! twisted And as always, ask questions! smile

Stay tuned at Radio Svenska, the thread for all language geeks!

Nanoq
Crew


Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:46 pm


Yeah, the retroflex sounds, Hindi has those! Instead of making a T sound by tapping it on the alveolar ridge, the little nub behind your front teeth, try and do it by tapping the tounge on the flat hard part of the roof of your mouth further back. This can be done with lots of sounds, but specifically in this case, for d, t, n and s. When you do this with S though, it becomes sort of a "sh" type sound, but different because of the retroflex.

And retroflexing all your consonants is a great way to fake an Indian accent.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:16 pm


Vajra B. Hairava
Yeah, the retroflex sounds, Hindi has those! Instead of making a T sound by tapping it on the alveolar ridge, the little nub behind your front teeth, try and do it by tapping the tounge on the flat hard part of the roof of your mouth further back. This can be done with lots of sounds, but specifically in this case, for d, t, n and s. When you do this with S though, it becomes sort of a "sh" type sound, but different because of the retroflex.

And retroflexing all your consonants is a great way to fake an Indian accent.
I now, its realy good! Swedish tend to do that when speaking English. >.<

For the record, Swedish has a retroflex l as well! I can barely tell the difference between that l and the normal l, but perhaps I say it without realizing it. And we use a retorflex tap too! But those are not important to know, only when speaking a really heavy dialect. razz

Nanoq
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Nanoq
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:46 am


I've never heard of any of those songs before, but I'm sure they're good. smile

Sorry for not posting much lately, I've been away for to weeks (CROATIA! biggrin ), but I'm back now, so I will continue now. If people are still interested of course. People still interested?

And I was thinking, do you want exercises like Vajra B. Hairava does? Those are really good, people seem to like them and me too.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:24 am


Exercises would be nice. biggrin

Eccentric Iconoclast
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Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:07 pm


Mivi
Vajra B. Hairava
Yeah, the retroflex sounds, Hindi has those! Instead of making a T sound by tapping it on the alveolar ridge, the little nub behind your front teeth, try and do it by tapping the tounge on the flat hard part of the roof of your mouth further back. This can be done with lots of sounds, but specifically in this case, for d, t, n and s. When you do this with S though, it becomes sort of a "sh" type sound, but different because of the retroflex.

And retroflexing all your consonants is a great way to fake an Indian accent.
I now, its realy good! Swedish tend to do that when speaking English. >.<

For the record, Swedish has a retroflex l as well! I can barely tell the difference between that l and the normal l, but perhaps I say it without realizing it. And we use a retorflex tap too! But those are not important to know, only when speaking a really heavy dialect. razz


Well, English consonants aren't that far from the retroflex ones anyway. They are closer to retroflex that the dental ones that many languages seem to use. Thats why Indians make everything retroflex when speaking English, since they think that English consonants sound closer to retroflex than the dental ones, which they have both of.
So if you do retroflex a lot of stuff, I don't know how noticeable it would be anyway. Whenever I hear th3 Swedes speak English, its just the weird uppy-downy way their voice goes that gets me, not any hidden retroflexing.

And yeah, give meh more Swedish. I'm 'bout a fourth Swedish surprised , so I want to become enlightened about this random language.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:50 am


Koko.Dk
Mivi
I've never heard of any of those songs before, but I'm sure they're good. smile

Sorry for not posting much lately, I've been away for to weeks (CROATIA! biggrin ), but I'm back now, so I will continue now. If people are still interested of course. People still interested?

And I was thinking, do you want exercises like Vajra B. Hairava does? Those are really good, people seem to like them and me too.


Croatia! I'm learning croatian! heart was it beautiful ?
The country itself was really beautiful, I loved the blue sea. smile But the people... They weren't very nice, the atmosphere was like "tourists, go home!". And I don't know about the language, because they only talked to us in German or English.

Nanoq
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