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 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:08 am
Imber Linfac I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures... Steampunk itself aside, I would have no doubt in saying that Cyberpunk is indeed a subculture. Same here. Steampunk not aside, if Cyberpunk is a subculture (which it is also classed as) then Steampunk logically should be.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:48 pm
Vanghar Imber Linfac I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures... Steampunk itself aside, I would have no doubt in saying that Cyberpunk is indeed a subculture. Same here. Steampunk not aside, if Cyberpunk is a subculture (which it is also classed as) then Steampunk logically should be. I'd feel better calling them subsubcultures. Sorta like baby subcultures, though I do agree that logically any genre or trend/fad/whatever that gets enough of a following could be a subculture. But we can all agree that if any of the "something"punks are a subculture they are unfortunately minor ones and subcultures already within a subculture. The good news for this is that it is very unlikely that any of these will become main stream, so good googles will be hard to find, but we don't have to worry about teenagers and frat boys claiming to be steamers, just cause they've got a set of googles and brown coat with straps and buckles.
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:36 am
Linfac Vanghar Imber Linfac I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures... Steampunk itself aside, I would have no doubt in saying that Cyberpunk is indeed a subculture. Same here. Steampunk not aside, if Cyberpunk is a subculture (which it is also classed as) then Steampunk logically should be. I'd feel better calling them subsubcultures. Sorta like baby subcultures, though I do agree that logically any genre or trend/fad/whatever that gets enough of a following could be a subculture. But we can all agree that if any of the "something"punks are a subculture they are unfortunately minor ones and subcultures already within a subculture. The good news for this is that it is very unlikely that any of these will become main stream, so good googles will be hard to find, but we don't have to worry about teenagers and frat boys claiming to be steamers, just cause they've got a set of googles and brown coat with straps and buckles. With the content, as it were, being the same, the only thing stopping some people from considering it as a subculture is the minority interest, which for the reasons already stated can only be a good thing!
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:37 am
Linfac Vanghar Imber Linfac I don't consider really any of the "something"punks a subculture as in lifestyle I see them as a subculture for story ideas and settings. I used to be a great lover of cyberpunk and yet never really considered it a culture the way goth or regular punk are. I can see potential for them to become true subcultures... Steampunk itself aside, I would have no doubt in saying that Cyberpunk is indeed a subculture. Same here. Steampunk not aside, if Cyberpunk is a subculture (which it is also classed as) then Steampunk logically should be. I'd feel better calling them subsubcultures. Sorta like baby subcultures, though I do agree that logically any genre or trend/fad/whatever that gets enough of a following could be a subculture. But we can all agree that if any of the "something"punks are a subculture they are unfortunately minor ones and subcultures already within a subculture. The good news for this is that it is very unlikely that any of these will become main stream, so good googles will be hard to find, but we don't have to worry about teenagers and frat boys claiming to be steamers, just cause they've got a set of googles and brown coat with straps and buckles. I would have to agree to you that is steampunk was a subculture, it would indeed be a small one. And I'm glad it hasn't gone mainstream. In my opinion, subcultures can't become mainstream, because they just become part of the main culture. So to be classed as a true subculture now, it has to be small. However, I am reluctant to class it as a subculture within the punk subculture. For one, steampunk was only originally punk because of dystopian nature, with related it to punk. Even so, steampunk has most definitely moved on and evolved from it's original form. Whilst some aspects are punk ish, I don't think it's enough to class it as fully punk (or a part of punk). I think it odd to call steampunk part of punk, as I see myself as steampunk, I don't see myself (nor the general whole of steampunk) as punk. To relate steampunk to another subculture, Goth was originally on offshot or part of the Punk subculture. However, since then it has developed and evolved. Now, whilst it retains some punkish elements, it is considered a truely seperate subculture. The only things I consider tying steampunk to punk is that you can be punkish, or that stemapunk fiction can be dystopian. I emphasise can here, because a lot of the time it isn't any more. (Asides from the name, which is irrelevant really). To look at it another way, cyberpunk is considered a wholey seperate subculture from punk, and yet it is far more punk than steampunk is.
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Sir Regulus Lyonhart Crew
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:59 pm
I do not feel that the question of whether or not SteamPunk is a subculture, a sub-subculture, or any other such thing, is really important enough to be delved into. The fact of whether or not its a culture doesn't really matter, as cultures aren't named by the people within them, but by the people looking onwards at it. If enough people were to engage in steampunk exemplar, and others were to watch, they would name if it was a subculture or otherwise. All that us humble individuals need to do is enjoy ourselves, without regard to the opinions of others, even if it comes to the disregarding of people even within the steampunk caste who try to inhibit your expression to conform to their view of steampunk-ism, if you will.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:09 am
KumaBlind I do not feel that the question of whether or not SteamPunk is a subculture, a sub-subculture, or any other such thing, is really important enough to be delved into. The fact of whether or not its a culture doesn't really matter, as cultures aren't named by the people within them, but by the people looking onwards at it. If enough people were to engage in steampunk exemplar, and others were to watch, they would name if it was a subculture or otherwise. All that us humble individuals need to do is enjoy ourselves, without regard to the opinions of others, even if it comes to the disregarding of people even within the steampunk caste who try to inhibit your expression to conform to their view of steampunk-ism, if you will. By Jove you're right! I do quite agree with you completely, you have somewhat altered my opinion on the matter. Whilst I would still like Steampunk to be considered a subculture, it is for other people to decide, in the same way that I cannot declare myself a subculture on my own. ^_^ It is what it is, regardless of how other's view it.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:36 am
Vanghar KumaBlind I do not feel that the question of whether or not SteamPunk is a subculture, a sub-subculture, or any other such thing, is really important enough to be delved into. The fact of whether or not its a culture doesn't really matter, as cultures aren't named by the people within them, but by the people looking onwards at it. If enough people were to engage in steampunk exemplar, and others were to watch, they would name if it was a subculture or otherwise. All that us humble individuals need to do is enjoy ourselves, without regard to the opinions of others, even if it comes to the disregarding of people even within the steampunk caste who try to inhibit your expression to conform to their view of steampunk-ism, if you will. By Jove you're right! I do quite agree with you completely, you have somewhat altered my opinion on the matter. Whilst I would still like Steampunk to be considered a subculture, it is for other people to decide, in the same way that I cannot declare myself a subculture on my own. ^_^ Another view would be that it does not matter. We would act all the same no matter what it is defined as, so really it is a non-issue. A moot point.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:29 am
So the important thing is that we all agree no matter what it is, we are all Steampunk and proud of that regardless of other people. I can fully agree to that good point Kuma. We know what Steampunk is and enjoy it so nothing else really matters.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:36 am
Linfac So the important thing is that we all agree no matter what it is, we are all Steampunk and proud of that regardless of other people. I can fully agree to that good point Kuma. We know what Steampunk is and enjoy it so nothing else really matters. Yes. Random thread reincarnation!
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:13 am
 I think steampunk is kind of ambiguous for most people in that sense. It's hard to define under any term. I believe it is a subculture, though, what with all its different branches into different mediums and communities.
In my view, being a steampunk makes you as much a part of a separate subculture as being a Rastafarian would then. I do hope that comparison makes sense, because it sounded so much better in my head.
sweatdrop 
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:33 pm
I would say there can be no "proper" subculture, therefore Steampunk may be considered to be A subculture.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:59 pm
Steampunk is still in its infant stages. As loosely defined as "steampunk" is even the term "subculture" is not agreed upon by anthropologists and sociologists. I recently wrote a paper on steampunk as a fad and subculture. I certainly consider it a subculture but due to the hazy nature of the definitions of what a subculture is, I guess you could pretty much make up your own conclusion.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:03 pm
StarScreame3r I would say there can be no "proper" subculture, therefore Steampunk may be considered to be A subculture. I agree with that. Its as much as a subculture as what Cyberpunk is.
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