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 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:27 pm
Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though.
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:36 pm
Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?"
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:38 pm
VashZero5 Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?" *nod* i would rather they spend my money for the root of the problem, drug-education. still not gonna solve it, but it's alot more effective then wasting the money by locking kids up
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:58 am
Sinew VashZero5 Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?" *nod* i would rather they spend my money for the root of the problem, drug-education. still not gonna solve it, but it's alot more effective then wasting the money by locking kids up Well, with problems of this magnitude, it's nigh impossible to solve. However, it can be done, if we work our way towards the solution with the best possible courses of action. The way things are now is most certainly _not_ the best course of action.
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:13 pm
Lykus Sinew VashZero5 Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?" *nod* i would rather they spend my money for the root of the problem, drug-education. still not gonna solve it, but it's alot more effective then wasting the money by locking kids up Well, with problems of this magnitude, it's nigh impossible to solve. However, it can be done, if we work our way towards the solution with the best possible courses of action. The way things are now is most certainly _not_ the best course of action. precisely. It seems that things aren't working in the current situation, and what does the government do? Flood more borrowed cash into it?
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:43 am
VashZero5 Lykus Sinew VashZero5 Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?" *nod* i would rather they spend my money for the root of the problem, drug-education. still not gonna solve it, but it's alot more effective then wasting the money by locking kids up Well, with problems of this magnitude, it's nigh impossible to solve. However, it can be done, if we work our way towards the solution with the best possible courses of action. The way things are now is most certainly _not_ the best course of action. precisely. It seems that things aren't working in the current situation, and what does the government do? Flood more borrowed cash into it? It's not borrowed. It's stolen.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:58 pm
Lykus VashZero5 Lykus Sinew VashZero5 Sinew Libertarian2008 i agree about having the drinking age younger than the driving age. I think the problem is people don't want kids t drink when they are still in school, go to school under the influence, or even bring alcohol to school i know, kids drink anyway i know, you can kick those kids out problem is, americans have a 'Worst Case Scenario' method of thinking. if you dont pay for everyones medical bills, all the poor people will die. If marijuana is legalized, everyone will smoke pot and noone will work and the econonomy will be destroyed if you lower the drinking age, kids will get drunk(which is far worse than responsable adults getting drunk) etc. etc. etc. i know alot of kids that come to school stoned off pot, and that's illegal for all ages, so what does that tell ya? i'd like to think a drinking/smoking/etc age would really make a difference, but more often then not, it doesnt. I guess there's more justification legally to have those laws then to not have them though. I think people keep these laws around just for peace of mind, for they are worried about what would happend without them. America is concentrating so hard on the fear they can't stop and think "Hey why is this not working?" *nod* i would rather they spend my money for the root of the problem, drug-education. still not gonna solve it, but it's alot more effective then wasting the money by locking kids up Well, with problems of this magnitude, it's nigh impossible to solve. However, it can be done, if we work our way towards the solution with the best possible courses of action. The way things are now is most certainly _not_ the best course of action. precisely. It seems that things aren't working in the current situation, and what does the government do? Flood more borrowed cash into it? It's not borrowed. It's stolen. Borrowed and Stolen, they use both methods. That's why our country is in debt.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:18 pm
The age should stay the same and the smoking age should be upped to 21.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:27 pm
In my opinion, I think all vices should be legal for all adults. If the drinking age is 21, the age for people to legally become adults should be 21. I much prefer it being 18, though seeing as how that's when children are forced to go to college or get a job, file for federal stuff, etc. I am definitely of the opinion that 18 year olds should be allowed to drink. They are adults and should be free to make their own choices. I don't know if I'd like it any lower because it can cause severe brain damage to a growing child. I'm of the same opinion about cigarettes. Adults should have the conscious choice. I don't know if I agree with the idea of legalizing smoking to kids. That's an issue that I've wrestled with myself about before.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:34 pm
the whole idea of a minimum ing age is to ban actions that can have disasterous consequences from people that are too irresponsible to consider those consequences. The age of 18 is a hard line drawn on the erratic nature of developing maturity. I think that for the most part, if someone doesn't wise-up and still acts like a kid at 18, then he prolly is going to be the same way at 21. Some people still act like punks at 30. Some people are idiots until the day they die. I think that if someone is declared as an adult, he should be allowed every privilege, responsibility, right, and legal distinction as an adult.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:44 pm
Shinobi_1977 Should the age to do these things stay at 21, be moved down to 18 or should there no limit at all? It should be 18 unless parents decide to buy it for the kid. If the kid then has a drinking problem and the parents do nothing about it and continue to supply his/her habit there should be intervention. I'm 19. I can be drafted, go to war, and be sentanced to death. But I can't drink? That makes no sense to me. Well, I do drink anyways, among other things, but regardless, it's my body, it's my life, if I can die then I can drink if I want to. Smoking should be 16, unless parents buy it for them. Though I believe in personal freedoms and rights, I believe that until a certain age people may or may not lack the ability to make a well thought out decision. It may be earlier for some, later for others, but we should meet at the middle.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:49 pm
well, i agree that having the set age of 18 is only fair since your legally an adult. If you can die for your country than you should be able to drink or kill yourself with drugs are whatever you want.
But i could take this a step further and say that you should be allowed to drink (not purchase) at any age (with adult supervision). Kids only drink when its taboo and if kids can have a glass of wine around the dinner table than maybe they could develope a tolerance and learn proper drinking behavior. My family celebrates Italian traditions and wine is always on the table- I think most Parents are responsible enough to limit thier own childern in the privacy of thier homes.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:25 pm
EtherealSpirit well, i agree that having the set age of 18 is only fair since your legally an adult. If you can die for your country than you should be able to drink or kill yourself with drugs are whatever you want. But i could take this a step further and say that you should be allowed to drink (not purchase) at any age (with adult supervision). Kids only drink when its taboo and if kids can have a glass of wine around the dinner table than maybe they could develope a tolerance and learn proper drinking behavior. My family celebrates Italian traditions and wine is always on the table- I think most Parents are responsible enough to limit thier own childern in the privacy of thier homes. 100% correct. Why should the government force parents to raise their childrenin certain ways. The government is not mom and dad.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:43 pm
Quote: than maybe they could develope a tolerance and learn proper drinking behavior a glass of wine at the family dinner table is always fine, but don't expect much in the way of building a tolerance. even by your 16th birthday, your liver is still finishing its development. to your body, alcohol really isn't much different than poison, and the feeling of drunkeness is when the blood carries that "poison" to your brain. the liver filters out those poisons, but in an immature body the liver can't handle as much. i present no arguement that behavior is important when you're drinking, and you have to know how much is too much, and its not healthy when idiot kids drink way more than they should, but i just want to say there's a physical aspect to it too. not that i'm disagreeing with the wider conversation of the thread either, when it comes to government policy, i think it should be totally up to the parents.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:04 pm
Sinew Quote: than maybe they could develope a tolerance and learn proper drinking behavior a glass of wine at the family dinner table is always fine, but don't expect much in the way of building a tolerance. even by your 16th birthday, your liver is still finishing its development. to your body, alcohol really isn't much different than poison, and the feeling of drunkeness is when the blood carries that "poison" to your brain. the liver filters out those poisons, but in an immature body the liver can't handle as much. i present no arguement that behavior is important when you're drinking, and you have to know how much is too much, and its not healthy when idiot kids drink way more than they should, but i just want to say there's a physical aspect to it too. not that i'm disagreeing with the wider conversation of the thread either, when it comes to government policy, i think it should be totally up to the parents. I honestly dont know much about tolernace, but my new sweetmates in the dorms this year are french exchange students and we had a discussion on drinking ages (they of coarse think americans are silly) but tolernaces was a point raised and i thought it was an intresting discussion heart I think the point was that drinking wasnt a big deal to them because its nothing new or taboo, infact its expected that know your different drinks and parents teach thier childer about different wines and things. I remember when i was young (like 10) i asked my mom if we could go to Europe just because i really wanted to know what its like to drink in a bar/resturaunt lol- kids get strange ideas i think
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