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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:12 pm
GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop )
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:16 pm
pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:20 pm
Spiess Skits pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:24 pm
Spiess Skits pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US. And the UK. My friend could get help because her family are well-off, but not everyone is so lucky. Where I lived until recently (uni now) the health care is paid for by the government, but again this is a rarity. Not everone can afford such help, and many institutions don't consider depression to be as worthy as other such illnesses.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:27 pm
pxxn Spiess Skits pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:32 pm
GuruLazer Spiess Skits pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US. And the UK. My friend could get help because her family are well-off, but not everyone is so lucky. Where I lived until recently (uni now) the health care is paid for by the government, but again this is a rarity. Not everone can afford such help, and many institutions don't consider depression to be as worthy as other such illnesses. Its a sad thing.
@Skachle - "Emo" kids don't commit suicide, they slit their wrists and pretend suicide.
As for the kids that were bullied and do that, its because they were
mental and the bulling didn't help.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:33 pm
Skachle pxxn Spiess Skits pxxn GuruLazer pxxn I still say they are selfish. Because they could get the professional help they need. And although their judgement may be clouded at some point they've got to know how it would affect close ones. They may be able to convince themselves all would be better without them and nobody will care but deep down they know it isn't true...they know how badly it could hurt their parents. That's why I would never do it, it's hurts those around you so much, and scars like that never fully heal. If you think for one second that you could have done something more to prevent somebody from ending their life, you're forever haunted. I don't know how far some people look, if they bother searching deep down when in emotional strain, but I think that some people may possibly block thoughts like this out, as it's a disuading element. Sometimes, if somebody wants out bad enough, they'll keep a one-track thought going on to hide this knowledge that others will be hurt. Some people cannot see any other way. (I think I invented a word in my ramble... sweatdrop ) Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:35 pm
pxxn Skachle pxxn Spiess Skits pxxn Yes but if the person is to that point where they are on a one track mind of just wanting to die, they should be in mental care because it isn't a normal way of thinking. If you were on a one track mind about killing yourself you don't care any of your surroundings, thereby being a danger to innocent people. because you won't care if you kill/hurt others as you know you'll kill yourself too. Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US. Amen. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:39 pm
Spiess Skits pxxn Skachle pxxn Spiess Skits pxxn Yes but if the person is to that point where they are on a one track mind of just wanting to die, they should be in mental care because it isn't a normal way of thinking. If you were on a one track mind about killing yourself you don't care any of your surroundings, thereby being a danger to innocent people. because you won't care if you kill/hurt others as you know you'll kill yourself too. Not everyone can afford that kind of help though.
Its expensive. And despite popular belief, there are
alot of poor families in the US. Amen. 3nodding
3nodding There is only one thing i cannot tolerant in life and that is discrimnation and racists.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:41 pm
I don't think it's a selfish act. I think that a person who commits suicide feels as if this is their only way out of a bad situation. They feel as if they aren't doing the world any good so they take their life. There was a boy at my school who hung himself just a few weeks ago. His dad killed himself when the boy was only three years old, the boys girlfriend (they had been going out for around 3 years) got really upset with him, and he had just recently been kicked out of his house for getting in trouble with the police because of drugs. He thought that he was just a thorn in everyone's sides so he killed himself thinking it was for the best. He wrote a note before he died saying, "I'm tired of being a failure."
So.. therefore I don't think that people take their lives to try and be selfish.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:41 pm
pxxn Spiess Skits pxxn Skachle pxxn ...Half of the people in the States are poor. In the states there is an exterme it's either you're really rich or really poor. Funny how Cananda has a lower rate of poverty then then states. Anyways I live in Canada and health care is free so down here it doesn't matter wether or rich or poor. So you could get the help. Amen. 3nodding
3nodding There is only one thing i cannot tolerant in life and that is discrimnation and racists.Double amen mrgreen (Sorry to have to leave, but I've got to read back on my essay before I hand it in tomorrow. Enjoy the debate, it's been an interesting discussion!)
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:41 pm
[...♥]I agree.
That was an ignorant statement. Both halves of it.
Because the kids that killl themselves due to bulling
were never mentally stable in the first place. So that's
not a fair judgement to place either.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:43 pm
xwishfulthinkerx I don't think it's a selfish act. I think that a person who commits suicide feels as if this is their only way out of a bad situation. They feel as if they aren't doing the world any good so they take their life. There was a boy at my school who hung himself just a few weeks ago. His dad killed himself when the boy was only three years old, the boys girlfriend (they had been going out for around 3 years) got really upset with him, and he had just recently been kicked out of his house for getting in trouble with the police because of drugs. He thought that he was just a thorn in everyone's sides so he killed himself thinking it was for the best. He wrote a note before he died saying, "I'm tired of being a failure." So.. therefore I don't think that people take their lives to try and be selfish. That's a sad story. ):
But glad you see it the way I do.
That's how I feel.
Guru- ):
It was fun, good luck with your essay.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:48 pm
All the people that I know that have committed suicide have done it for very selfish reasons.
IE: My boyfriend dumped me, I'll show him! My mom grounded me, I'll show her! etc etc.
Unless a person has a very serious mental problem, or is suffering through severe depression, I believe suicide is selfish in all cases. It is selfish because that person takes their own life, KNOWING that it will negatively effect the people around them. Death creates a negative reaction no matter who it is or the circumstance in which someone dies. Suicide is (to me) forcing that negative reaction onto people that don't expect it.
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:49 pm
Well they aren't trying to be selfish because they believe they aren't. even though they don't know if want they're doing is selfish or not they are still affecting all those who cared for them. And just because they're intentions weren't selfish in their eyes doesn't mean it really wasn't.
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