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mickey.mouse.is.dead

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:15 pm


Capn Smasher
I almost bought Defending Pornography at a discount bookstore the other day, and I really wish I had. On the one hand, pornography may reinfornce negative stereotypes of women, and is probably perpetuating ideas in a more mainstream way via the internet that were supposedly overcome in the nineties (ie, inferiority). On the other, women are being accepted as sexual creatures. Women can talk about orgasms and masturbation to a lot of men without them being disturbed. Through familiarity with sex, women can gain equality with men on a level that, thanks to lack of sex ed in schools, is being seriously threatened, and if pornography will achieve that, so be it.

Plus, women can get off to porn as easily as men if they wanted, even if the porn is 'produced for men'. Sex is sex, lust is lust. And god, have I seen some beautiful porn.

I completly agree with you.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:21 pm


And then theres groups like the Suicide Girls. I think thats a good example of women who feel empowered when they do that line of work.

mickey.mouse.is.dead


yodilit

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:26 pm


Alot of women do find it empowering.
It seems to help women gain confidence after a molestation, or rape at a young age, as they are now in control of their sexual bodies on stage.

I don't really see much of a problem with Pornography.
It helps keep some people employed, so its not worth fighting against.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:25 pm


I think porn is great for societyand women in the large scheme of things. If the conservatives get rid of it like they want to, then next will be things on cable, brief nudity, swearing, words and pictures that might be offensive to some, cultures that are offensive to some, until women and society take huge steps backwards. Little by little our freedoms will be taken away. Porn needs to exist to ensure our freedoms.

PossessedByDevil

Hygienic Dabbler


HelloMaryJane

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:27 pm


I don't think I could ever be in a porn, but I do watch porn occasionally so I'd be a hypocrite if I said I thought it was degrading.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:41 pm


mickey.mouse.is.dead
And then theres groups like the Suicide Girls. I think thats a good example of women who feel empowered when they do that line of work.

I watch real sex on HBO too.

PossessedByDevil

Hygienic Dabbler


super_nerd42

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:14 pm


PossessedByDevil
I think porn is great for societyand women in the large scheme of things. If the conservatives get rid of it like they want to, then next will be things on cable, brief nudity, swearing, words and pictures that might be offensive to some, cultures that are offensive to some, until women and society take huge steps backwards. Little by little our freedoms will be taken away. Porn needs to exist to ensure our freedoms.


It is not just conservative that dissagree with porn. You cannot generalize a whole group of people. There are so many rights that can be taken away that may lead to a communist society or a facist society. Eiter way there could be a total control country if either liberals or conservatives go into an extremist government.

No one is going to outlaw porn and films are already edited on TV such as brief nudity and sweating. Pull yourself together and stop thinking everything is a conspiracy. Also, our entire rights and freedoms do not exist soley on the existence on porn. I do not dissagree with the idea of porn and I don't think that women pose for porn only for the money. There are other ways to make a buck or two. The existence of porn shows that there are peole sexually aware of themselves which is just fine.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:19 pm


PossessedByDevil
I think porn is great for societyand women in the large scheme of things. If the conservatives get rid of it like they want to, then next will be things on cable, brief nudity, swearing, words and pictures that might be offensive to some, cultures that are offensive to some, until women and society take huge steps backwards. Little by little our freedoms will be taken away. Porn needs to exist to ensure our freedoms.


I'm fairly sure that porn isn't the only reason that we have freedoms.

I don't really find porn to be sexist, as long as the woman doesn't mind or is enjoying her work then its fine really. It does kinda display woman as sex objects but then again, you can say its doing the same to men aswell.

Super Radical


PossessedByDevil

Hygienic Dabbler

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:21 am


super_nerd42

It is not just conservative that dissagree with porn. You cannot generalize a whole group of people. There are so many rights that can be taken away that may lead to a communist society or a facist society. Eiter way there could be a total control country if either liberals or conservatives go into an extremist government.

No one is going to outlaw porn and films are already edited on TV such as brief nudity and sweating. Pull yourself together and stop thinking everything is a conspiracy. Also, our entire rights and freedoms do not exist soley on the existence on porn. I do not dissagree with the idea of porn and I don't think that women pose for porn only for the money. There are other ways to make a buck or two. The existence of porn shows that there are peole sexually aware of themselves which is just fine.

Fist off I meant the nudity shown on movie channels that we pay for, such as HBO.

As for the porn industry, it is the conservative people that wish to ban it. That is a known thing.

If you listen to Howard Stern, you would know the crap the FCC is making him go through. There's a reason he has decided to go to sirius.

Also, this subject is on porn, therefore I am only talking about porn and freedoms related to porn. So whatever you are talking about with Communism and such is for another thread.

People have actually tried to outlaw porn. Ever hear of the case of Jerry Falwell verses Larry Flynt? Or how about the case of Common Wealth of Virginia Petitioner v. Kevin Lamont Hicks?

To get around the fact that Pornography, for the most part, is protected by the first amendment, people for "the common good" view have turned to the obscenity law. The Obscenity law was made to all states of America during the Miller verses California case. The Supreme Court ruled the following four things;

1. Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment. A work may be subject to state regulation where that work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest in sex; portrays, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and, taken as a whole, does not have serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

2. The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Roth, supra, at 489, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law, and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. If a state obscenity law is thus limited, First Amendment values are adequately protected by ultimate independent appellate review of constitutional claims when necessary.

3. The test of "utterly without redeeming social value" articulated in Memoirs, supra, is rejected as a constitutional standard.

4. The jury may measure the essentially factual issues of prurient appeal and patent offensiveness by the standard that prevails in the forum community, and need not employ a "national standard."

So they made a law to get around the constitution.

And let us not forget the Lenny Bruce era.

Porn is just the tip of the iceberg. Once they get rid of that THEY WILL go to the next thing.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:52 am


Exactly. Censorship snowballs like hell if people don't fight it.

stfu D8


N t e r

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:18 pm


-at a loss for words-
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:11 pm


i think its fine.
if woman want to show of their body, let them.
as long as:
the person showing themselfs, wants to and is not forced into it.
and
they are old even to know what exactly they are doing.

apointlessgamex


PossessedByDevil

Hygienic Dabbler

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:01 am


Capn Smasher
Exactly. Censorship snowballs like hell if people don't fight it.

Thank you for posting this because I was trying to think of those words for my last post and it just wasn't coming.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:36 am


I don't really like porn. I've never watched any, (seriously, if I have, that would be quite scary because of my age.) but I have heard the retarded, perverted boys at my school go on about it. And by the sound of it, I think that half the time the people in porn are horny teenagers that really aren't even old enough to have sex, faked out or otherwise. And plus, porn make you want to have sex, and you know what? In one of the other schools in my area, a seventh grader was pregnant. A seventh grader. I can't seriously blame porn for that, but there probably are teens having sex like that after watching porn.

I am done with my rant, thank you and have a nice day! smile

The Lyndenator


Sansevierria

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:26 pm


I do not like porn.
However I love pin-up:
like suicide girls.com
They treat and pay their girls well.
And there aren't any men in the shoots.
It's actually rather on the artsy side....
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