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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:30 pm
One nation under a groove Have you any sources that aren't Yahoo? Gettin' down, just for the funk of it
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:35 pm
`Zeke sun_charm Well I wonder why man would die that quickly? It's just that humans can survive without honey can't they? It goes deeper then that. It messes up the food chain for one thing, plus bees are one of the highest transporters of flower pollen, from one flower to the other. Flowers will begin to decline because they won't be able to reproduce. One thing leads to another then bang, man is dead? Sorry I had a blank moment. I didn't think of all that rolleyes
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:10 am
although I'm scared of bees ( i have never been stung either) It would be very bad for bees to die out. It wouldn't be earth without bees!!!
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:54 am
Atomic Sky One nation under a groove Have you any sources that aren't Yahoo? I got the info and the sources from a naturalist friend. That's all I have, but I'm sure a thorough google search would yield more.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:17 am
MustangDragon OMG Manually pollinating millions and millions of rice, wheat, oats, beets, sugar cane, all the vegetables and fruits? I don't think we could do it. Rice, sugar cane and beets are wind-pollinated, wheat generally self-pollinates and as to the fruits, we usually try to prevent them pollinating in order to produce seedless fruits. Not sure about oats. Consider also that the world already grows some immensely labour-intensive crops such as rice. I don't remember ever claiming to be "nice".
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:57 pm
Tyris Stark MustangDragon OMG Manually pollinating millions and millions of rice, wheat, oats, beets, sugar cane, all the vegetables and fruits? I don't think we could do it. Rice, sugar cane and beets are wind-pollinated, wheat generally self-pollinates and as to the fruits, we usually try to prevent them pollinating in order to produce seedless fruits. Not sure about oats. Consider also that the world already grows some immensely labour-intensive crops such as rice. I don't remember ever claiming to be "nice". OK, sorry. Don't be nice, ok by me. Meanwhile, found a source for more info. "The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that about one-third of the human diet is derived from insect-pollinated plants and that the honey bee is responsible for 80 percent of this pollination." There are also 3500 species of feral bees (also called solitary bees), which contribute the lion's share of pollination in general (non-food producing as well as food producing plants and trees. These bees are also declining in population. This particular article blames the decline in honey bees in the last three years to Varroa mites. There are many articles blaming these mites or other bee diseases or the increase in cell phone use for the depopulation. What I posted was the latest guess as to why they are in decline. Source of this article is: http://www.ebeehoney.com/Pollination.html
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:35 pm
Tyris Stark We can always manually pollinate, you know. Hell, it would give the whining jobless masses something to do.
That's unlikley..
At least half the world 3.3 billion people would have to be manually polinating 24hrs a day, 7 days a week to get to even one third of the production of what bees actually do.
And one third is probably exagerating...
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:52 am
I, for one, am very afraid of bees. AThey hurt if they sting you. So, SCREW YOU BEES!
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:17 am
Carrielicious! I, for one, am very afraid of bees. AThey hurt if they sting you. So, SCREW YOU BEES!
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:58 am
Carrielicious! I, for one, am very afraid of bees. AThey hurt if they sting you. So, SCREW YOU BEES! Unless you are allergic to their poison, you are worried about nothing. Honey bees rarely sting unless you try to mess with their hives. Also, if you wear white or dark clothing (as opposed to colors) and no perfume, they won't be attracted to you. As for stings... ever been stung by a yellow jacket? That is a type of wasp, and they do not lose their stingers... they sting over and over and over, and man, each one is like a jolt of red hot electricity. There are lots of things worse than a bee sting. Oh, and honey bee stings have been being used to treat joint problems in humans for a while. They are picked up individually from a jar they are kept in and positioned in the right spot. When they sting, it hurts of course, but shortly after than, the joint pain goes away. Interesting!
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:29 pm
Used to treat joint problems.
REally?
Wow, that's interesting.
How did that work?
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:37 am
Quote: What type of conditions is Bee venom used to treat? Bee venom simulates the release of cortisone (cortisol) and is therefore effective in the treatment of rheumatic diseases, especially arthritis and multiple sclerosis (MS). It can be applied directly or by intramuscular injections. Other treatments, such as electrotherapy, hormone therapy, can help to eliminate periarticular deformations, improve joint movement and raise the general state of the organism. Two products developed in Bucharest, an ointment - Apireven - and a liniment both have been used successfully in several cases of rheumatoid polyarthritis. The results have shown an important reduction in muscular pain, sciatic pain, nerve pain, neuromialgias and intercostal and bronchial nerve pain. I looks like bee venom can treat a lot of different things. source
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:20 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:27 pm
Interesting SunCharm. I wonder even if they do find the diseases that are devestating the colonies if they will be able to treat the bees for it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:15 pm
Emily`s_Gone_Mad Used to treat joint problems.
REally?
Wow, that's interesting.
How did that work? As I understand it this is a tradional remedy using in Chinese Medicine (also referenced in other sources such as Hippocrates). Scientific proof as to how/if it works is still somewhat lacking (there are lots of bits and pieces but nothing I found was really conclusive). Even so traditional remedies have a pretty decent track record of turning out to have some basis in science even if we don't understand it. The basic idea with the bee sting therapy is that by having the bee sting you (in say an arthritic joint) your body will produce its own response to the pain and swelling which will deal not only with the bee sting but some of the inflamation and pain of the Artritis. This class of therapies are called homeopathic (kind of like how snake anti-venom is manufactured from venom, or how people can build up an immunity to poison after minor long term exposure.)
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