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stupidkid23

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:24 pm


Aila-al-Jehan
Legally, your mother can decide exactly what you do, what religion you practice, etc etc, and so forth until your of legal age and out of her house and financial clutches. However, physically, she cannot choose what you think is your spiritual path, how you use your dreams, and whether or not you meditate in bed right before you fall asleep. Thats something only you can control. So therefore, you may want to try magicks that are easier to conceal than "Wicca" for early practice. Looking up basic energy practices and symbol magick is your best bet.

Nice
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:43 pm


Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.

No one can dictate what is in your mind and heart, and if you believe in these deities, they'll be aware of why you're unable to worship them the way you want to, at the moment. As has been said--nothing will keep you from praying or affirming your faith, you do not need tools to do that. It's difficult for a teenager to relax and accept such a restriction, of course...but in the long run, it's a far wiser course of action than making it a point to fight with parents over. You have to live with them for another three years, and they could make that much more difficult than it needs to be. Keep your mouth closed, and your heart open--essentially.

In the meantime, if you ever have time to yourself at a local public library, you'd be surprised what books they might have in their collection. Your school might even have books on mythology and comparative religion, if you hunt around. You can study many peripheral subjects when you have spare time--herbal medicine, for example. Even if you're not able to study magick or specifically Wiccan rituals, you will be able to continue learning things that relate to your chosen path.

Consider the whole thing to be a lesson in self-discipline, which will serve you very well in the future. There's an old saying in regards to magick: "To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silent". It means to study first, before you take up practice. Once you know, then it's time to exercise your will--with focus, and self-discipline. To dare refers to getting up and doing it...not putting something off, or slacking off on things. To keep silent means that once you've done it, don't talk about it. It's not necessary to tell others about these things, and in many cases it's very much best not to do so.

Your best course is not to mention your religious preference to your mother again--clearly she did not react well to it, and it frightened her. For her peace of mind, as well as yours, keeping silent may be your best policy. If your mother is truly faithful, as it seems, then due to her beliefs, your taking up a different religion puts your soul in mortal danger--any loving mother would do anything to rescue a child from danger. Do not blame her for this, but try to understand it from her viewpoint. You do not have to agree, but make the effort to see her side and to respect it.

If you want to try again to convince her to accept your faith, do so after you have moved out and established your independence, after you turn 18. You have an entire lifetime to practice your religion as you see fit...three years is not such a long time.

WingedWolfPsion


iolitefire

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:09 am


WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:04 am


WingedWolfPsion
Your best course is not to mention your religious preference to your mother again--clearly she did not react well to it, and it frightened her. For her peace of mind, as well as yours, keeping silent may be your best policy. If your mother is truly faithful, as it seems, then due to her beliefs, your taking up a different religion puts your soul in mortal danger--any loving mother would do anything to rescue a child from danger. Do not blame her for this, but try to understand it from her viewpoint. You do not have to agree, but make the effort to see her side and to respect it.


Aila-al-Jehan
Legally, your mother can decide exactly what you do, what religion you practice, etc etc, and so forth until your of legal age and out of her house and financial clutches. However, physically, she cannot choose what you think is your spiritual path, how you use your dreams, and whether or not you meditate in bed right before you fall asleep. Thats something only you can control. So therefore, you may want to try magicks that are easier to conceal than "Wicca" for early practice. Looking up basic energy practices and symbol magick is your best bet.


Don't have much to say beyond this.

Meditate, learn what you can when you can, don't bother putting into practice yet. You need to know what you do... otherwise it is the whole "running before walking" thing.

I will not argue the difference between Wicca/Non-wicca/Neopaganism... I'm old and set in my ways. ^_^ (I'm only 18, turning 19 in mid-August)

Repetition:
Meditate, learn what you can, when you can.

Your mother only wants what is best for you, so try to still whatever ill feelings you have.



LoBo:
Explain to your mother that the pentagram represents a person. The head and arms are extended up, towards the All-Mighty. The feet are on the ground, showing rejection of the complex illusions that we think of as reality. Then tell her that when you turn it upside-down, it is the person reaching to the Earth, rejecting the Holy Father.

Khalida Nyoka


WingedWolfPsion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:34 pm


Khalida Nyoka

LoBo:
Explain to your mother that the pentagram represents a person. The head and arms are extended up, towards the All-Mighty. The feet are on the ground, showing rejection of the complex illusions that we think of as reality. Then tell her that when you turn it upside-down, it is the person reaching to the Earth, rejecting the Holy Father.


Unless you're like a 2nd degree Gardnerian...or something. They use an inverted pentagram, too.
The meaning is a focus on the physical over the spiritual--it need not be in any way sinister, nor represent a rejection of the spiritual, it's a matter of prioritizing or identifying where a person is at mentally/spiritually.

For example, in actual 'Church of Satan' style Satanism, the inverted pentagram represents the spiritual being in service to the physical--using the spiritual to achieve your physical desires.
In Wicca, the upright pentagram represents using the physical to achieve your spiritual desires--or, placing spirituality over physicality (explanations can vary).
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:03 pm


iolitefire
WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
I, for one, believe that a religion can only be changed by people who were part of said religion to begin with, rather than people who just took the name of a religion to sound cool. That'd be like me creating a cult of ancestor-worship and incest and calling it Islam.

Darin Rosewood


Joshua_Ritter
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:09 pm


Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
I, for one, believe that a religion can only be changed by people who were part of said religion to begin with, rather than people who just took the name of a religion to sound cool. That'd be like me creating a cult of ancestor-worship and incest and calling it Islam.

Except you forget that the old versions of said religion will claim the new ones never were part of it, having changed it and violated this this and this, and the new ones will claim the old system was inneffective and the new one is much closer to the truth. It's like that in every religious change, isn't it?

And remember Islam just means Submission.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:50 pm


Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
I, for one, believe that a religion can only be changed by people who were part of said religion to begin with, rather than people who just took the name of a religion to sound cool. That'd be like me creating a cult of ancestor-worship and incest and calling it Islam.


If screwing your late great-grandmother actually works, and you can get a good community built around it, it's a religion. If your religion is roughly similar to Islam, it's Islam.

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iolitefire

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:00 am


Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
I, for one, believe that a religion can only be changed by people who were part of said religion to begin with, rather than people who just took the name of a religion to sound cool. That'd be like me creating a cult of ancestor-worship and incest and calling it Islam.


But how do you know that Gardner really invented Wicca? Many good (reliable, well studied) sources point that Gardner merely took spiritual aspects from other religions and traditions and called it Wicca. Many of the Wicca practices come from other areas.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:24 am


iolitefire
Darin Rosewood
iolitefire
WingedWolfPsion
Wow....lot of misconceptions about the religion, here. Wicca has many traditions (sects) which have different practices and beliefs.


Thank you.

Regardless of what Wicca started as, it now has different branches and practices. You can't stop religions from changing, even if you may not like the change.
I, for one, believe that a religion can only be changed by people who were part of said religion to begin with, rather than people who just took the name of a religion to sound cool. That'd be like me creating a cult of ancestor-worship and incest and calling it Islam.


But how do you know that Gardner really invented Wicca? Many good (reliable, well studied) sources point that Gardner merely took spiritual aspects from other religions and traditions and called it Wicca. Many of the Wicca practices come from other areas.

No... t-that's not true... that's imPOSSIBLE!!

Joshua_Ritter
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LadyAnubis

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:58 am


My heart goes out to you hon. I grew up in a simmilar family, but thankfully I didn't discover paganism until I was in college, so I have more freedom.

Remember that you don't need stuff and structure to be pagan. Remember that simple appreciation of nature is worship, and there are plenty of spells you can cast simply by channeling your will, or sending a prayer up to the Goddess.

Actually, I have a spell written down somewhere for "staying in the closet"--in other words, keeping prying eyes out of your business.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:45 am


You know what's funny?

Gardener was in the OTO. A good portion of his teachings, are just a spin off of Thelema. I had been reading something about the difference between"

"An ye harm none, do what ye will" and "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" (hereafter shortened as "93" because I'm lazy).

The short version is that Gardener broke away, found a suitable god/goddess, and added a less serious/individual approach mingled with pacifism.

Evidence lying in the very simple "rede." "An ye harm none" being an obvious reference to doing know harm (Thelema says to just do what serves your Higher will best (if that involves violence... so be it)).

Now "Do what ye will" and 93 have one singular major difference. That difference being that "Wo what ye will" utilizes the plural, thus taking some of the weight off of the individual practitioner's shoulder. With 93 everything is on you... and the one word you dread most as a result, is failure (in a Thelemite's spell book, the word success can only be written in one place. The very end/last page, and only if it is true).


I do try to do my research...

Khalida Nyoka


WingedWolfPsion

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:51 pm


Joshua_Ritter
iolitefire

But how do you know that Gardner really invented Wicca? Many good (reliable, well studied) sources point that Gardner merely took spiritual aspects from other religions and traditions and called it Wicca. Many of the Wicca practices come from other areas.

No... t-that's not true... that's imPOSSIBLE!!


Search your feelings! You know it to be true!
dramallama
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:21 pm


WingedWolfPsion
Joshua_Ritter
iolitefire

But how do you know that Gardner really invented Wicca? Many good (reliable, well studied) sources point that Gardner merely took spiritual aspects from other religions and traditions and called it Wicca. Many of the Wicca practices come from other areas.

No... t-that's not true... that's imPOSSIBLE!!


Search your feelings! You know it to be true!
dramallama

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo....

Joshua_Ritter
Crew

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Yvaine

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:23 pm


Dude...I knew my mom was above average in the open-minded department, but I'm always flabbergasted (great word) when I run across stuff like this. I sometimes manage to convince myself that no one is so hardcore and narrow-minded anymore that they burn artifacts from other religions while chanting prayers to make sure the evil spirits can't get out.

My mom got into mysticism and that around the same time I started checking it out, so she started getting me things like "The Tibetan Book of the Dead" for Christmas. She flipped through my copy of "The Origin of Satan" too. And when I ran across a shaman who I thought could help her, I gave her the lady's name and number, and next thing I knew my mom was signing both of us up for workshops. We compare journeying notes and discuss theories. And yep, we both go to the same Catholic church, because the pastor is fairly open-minded (he digs on Campbell).

Now here's the advice she gives about this kind of thing:
"Kids with repressive parents will listen while they have to, but in the end, the parents are just ensuring that they will have no relationship with their adult children. As soon as they can get away, they will."

In other words, wait it out. Spend the time you have left loving your parents, warts and all, because the further you get away from their mindset, the less you will have enough in common with them to even have a civil 5-minute phone call.
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