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 Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:09 pm
Basically, I think that the Autobots are powerlinking because the Minicons finally got sick of it. I mean, after all the emphasis in Armada to find and use them, all you get to see is Sureshock, Highwire, Grindor, and the three minicons that form the Energon Saber. Without that support team, the Autobots had to do something to gain power.
Powerlinking junkies that they have become they went to the only recourse they had- each other. stare
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:45 am
Like it or not, Prime has been cross-combining since Masterforce in Japan. Japan's version of Powermaster Prime had an add-on robot kind of like Armada's Overload that would become a set of armor parts.
So don't blame Energon or even Armada for Powerlinking. They've been doing it since G1, it's nothing new.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:55 pm
New or antique . . . it still seems to degrade the power of Prime. It gives the impression that Prime cannot do anything major without a power boost.
Besides, I thought that in Japan Powermaster Prime was God Ginrai, not Optimus, but quite a similar look. He only became Prime when he was imported to the Americas. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:15 pm
It's the other way around actaully He was powermaster Prime first. The reason he needed Hi-Q was the Nedulon's had poisoned the fuel on there planet so the only way for him and three other bots to survive were to join with Nebulon partners.
Since Japan never used the Nebulan's they came up with there own story for Powermaster Prime.
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:47 pm
Talon the Diamond Star New or antique . . . it still seems to degrade the power of Prime. It gives the impression that Prime cannot do anything major without a power boost. I'll agree with that. The magic of G1 Prime wasn't that he was the most powerful warrior, even though he could throw down when he needed to there were quite a few stronger Autobots. What made G1 Prime great was that he was a leader who brought his troops together, made them believe in the cause of fighting for what is right.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:46 am
I feel very strongly that Optimus Primal was the superior prime.
He was in my oppinion the most intelligent and developed Prime we have had thus far. With 3 seaons of Beast Wars that gave him character development that was un-pressidented in the other series.
Now I hate what they did to him in Beast Machines, he was a slagging Cybertronian Jehovah's Witness. Beast Machines made me root for the bad guys, and I will forever be a Vehicon at Heart.
G1 Prime was ruined by too many lame returns from the dead.
Rodimus Prime was ruined the moment he destroyed Unicron, he hero worship of Prime and depression made him a sorry character. Hot Rod was much better.
RiD Prime. Never watched RiD much, but the only good thing that came from him was being scanned and copied to make Scourge.
Armada & Energon Prime. He is better that Rid Prime and Rodimus, but not as good as G1 or Primal. He is right in the middle of the scale.
As I said I like Optimus Primal, and that's just Prime.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:49 am
Recca Hino It's the other way around actaully He was powermaster Prime first. The reason he needed Hi-Q was the Nedulon's had poisoned the fuel on there planet so the only way for him and three other bots to survive were to join with Nebulon partners.
Since Japan never used the Nebulan's they came up with there own story for Powermaster Prime. Well actually the toy was made at the insistance of Hasbro, not Takara. Hasbro wanted anouther Prime, but Takara's Transformers line had moved in anouther direction. Thus Powermaster Prime was made, and they used him as Ginrai for the Japanese Godmasters series. I don't know whether or not they even covered his resemblence to Prime in the japanese series.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:20 am
Fulgrim G1 Prime was ruined by too many lame returns from the dead. The mistake was killing him off in the first place. Bringing him back was admission that they'd screwed up and shouldn't have done it, but it was too late, the damage to the storyline had already been done. But if those ressurections had never happened, if he'd either not died or had never been brought back, I'm interested in hearing what your opinion would have been in that hypothetical case. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but in Japan, G1 Prime was never resurrected. Ginrai was a completely different character, with a similar body. (I don't believe he was resurrected after that, but as I said I could be wrong.)
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:04 am
In the Japanese Headmasters Prime died and was resurrected and then died again by merging with Vector Sigma. As far as I know, there was no mention of Ginrai's resemblance to Prime in the Masterforce series.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:15 am
Adib In the Japanese Headmasters Prime died and was resurrected and then died again by merging with Vector Sigma. As far as I know, there was no mention of Ginrai's resemblance to Prime in the Masterforce series. Actually, if I recall correctly it's stated that Ginrai's truck was intended to be an upgraded body for Convoy(Prime) before he died, which is why it's capable of combining with the trailer.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:36 pm
Really? Where did you read that? All the synopses I've read never said anything about Ginrai being a body for Prime.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:38 pm
There's an excellent book called The Unofficial Guide to Japanese and International Transformers written by a guy named J. E. Alvarez that has a pretty detailed synopsis of Masterforce. It mentions that somewhere in the middle of Masterforce the Ginrai-Convoy link is discovered.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:36 am
Mylian Adib In the Japanese Headmasters Prime died and was resurrected and then died again by merging with Vector Sigma. As far as I know, there was no mention of Ginrai's resemblance to Prime in the Masterforce series. Actually, if I recall correctly it's stated that Ginrai's truck was intended to be an upgraded body for Convoy(Prime) before he died, which is why it's capable of combining with the trailer. I had heard that as well. Also, Prime was brought back by Wheeljack and upgraded to Star Convoy at one point, but who brought back Wheeljack.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:39 am
Mylian Fulgrim G1 Prime was ruined by too many lame returns from the dead. The mistake was killing him off in the first place. Bringing him back was admission that they'd screwed up and shouldn't have done it, but it was too late, the damage to the storyline had already been done. But if those ressurections had never happened, if he'd either not died or had never been brought back, I'm interested in hearing what your opinion would have been in that hypothetical case. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but in Japan, G1 Prime was never resurrected. Ginrai was a completely different character, with a similar body. (I don't believe he was resurrected after that, but as I said I could be wrong.) Ginrai was a different character, I am not sure at what point Prime was turned into star convoy. He died for one reason, the same reason Megatron did. New leader ment new toys to sell. Afterall transformers really is just a 22 minute long commercial for the toys.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:26 pm
Fulgrim He died for one reason, the same reason Megatron did. New leader ment new toys to sell. Afterall transformers really is just a 22 minute long commercial for the toys. Wow. Bitter much?
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