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 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:34 pm
Joshua_Ritter I think he's using a different term. Also, Freud = ******** insane. of Freud's stuff was ******** insane. But you can't say his personality model is ******** insane. Just because I might see purple unicorns flying around me when I go to sleep doesn't mean that everything I say is complete bullshit. We don't say FLCL is ******** insane just because he had been telling everyone, including himself, that he was the offspring of an angel and Satan (or something along those lines). Even I agree with some of the stuff he says, and I don't even really like him. I respect him (most of the time), but I don't like him.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:01 pm
DrasBrisingr Joshua_Ritter I think he's using a different term. Also, Freud = ******** insane. of Freud's stuff was ******** insane. But you can't say his personality model is ******** insane. Just because I might see purple unicorns flying around me when I go to sleep doesn't mean that everything I say is complete bullshit. We don't say FLCL is ******** insane just because he had been telling everyone, including himself, that he was the offspring of an angel and Satan (or something along those lines). Even I agree with some of the stuff he says, and I don't even really like him. I respect him (most of the time), but I don't like him.
Yeah. I don't really believe that I have an id which tells me to kill and rape everyone around me, though. Doesn't really work.
And let's not talk about what I think of Sam just yet.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:14 pm
Joshua_Ritter DrasBrisingr Joshua_Ritter I think he's using a different term. Also, Freud = ******** insane. of Freud's stuff was ******** insane. But you can't say his personality model is ******** insane. Just because I might see purple unicorns flying around me when I go to sleep doesn't mean that everything I say is complete bullshit. We don't say FLCL is ******** insane just because he had been telling everyone, including himself, that he was the offspring of an angel and Satan (or something along those lines). Even I agree with some of the stuff he says, and I don't even really like him. I respect him (most of the time), but I don't like him.
Yeah. I don't really believe that I have an id which tells me to kill and rape everyone around me, though. Doesn't really work.
And let's not talk about what I think of Sam just yet.You have a grossly exaggerated view of the id, though. Freud just gave names to our stages of psychological development, and theorized that they don't "evolve" or change, they are just replaced by more rational psychological stages. Ever been so angry that you can't (or at least have much difficulty) control your actions? Hell, I know I had a problem with that just yesterday. But how else would you explain that? I mean, you pretty much have to have some sort of internal primitive...system, and then another system to keep it in check. Eh, I don't really want to go into it anymore than that. I'm not trying to convince people that Freud was right. It just doesn't work (I realized this after trying to convince my entire senior AP Lit class of a similar thing while reading Oedipus. Ha).
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:33 pm
well, I wasn't tring to preach the word of Freud, I just wanted to make it understood, what they were tring to get rid of (hey and Obscurus mentioned the ego first I'm just explaning it [hahaha I just love blaming others])
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:14 pm
Yeah... I'm not talking about the psychological model idea of "ego". It would be a bad idea to kill your ego in that sense.
I'm talking about your conditioned personality. It's a tyrant determined to stay on its throne and it prevents one from "breaking away" back to what their soul really is. It creates attachments and ties to the world in such a way that it limits us. It has to be right by its very nature and it will do anything to remain right.
It's the part of us that says "you're better than them" or "you can't do that", etc. Preconditioned responses. I'm hoping I don't have to explain why preconceived responses and notions are a bad thing. It all really comes down to killing your prejudices so you can actively experience life and reality.
God I can really ramble when I let myself go...
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:32 pm
Obscurus Yeah... I'm not talking about the psychological model idea of "ego". It would be a bad idea to kill your ego in that sense. I'm talking about your conditioned personality. It's a tyrant determined to stay on its throne and it prevents one from "breaking away" back to what their soul really is. It creates attachments and ties to the world in such a way that it limits us. It has to be right by its very nature and it will do anything to remain right. It's the part of us that says "you're better than them" or "you can't do that", etc. Preconditioned responses. I'm hoping I don't have to explain why preconceived responses and notions are a bad thing. It all really comes down to killing your prejudices so you can actively experience life and reality. God I can really ramble when I let myself go...
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:13 pm
Ok, back on topic. I was thinking of a couple different methods to do this. Big, elaborate, reserve-a-day-for-this type rituals. Small, little affirmation rituals you can do with yourself and a notepad/pencil, and logical and persuasive arguments you can use against foolish doubts. What would you all use for each?
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 pm
Joshua_Ritter Obscurus Yeah... I'm not talking about the psychological model idea of "ego". It would be a bad idea to kill your ego in that sense. I'm talking about your conditioned personality. It's a tyrant determined to stay on its throne and it prevents one from "breaking away" back to what their soul really is. It creates attachments and ties to the world in such a way that it limits us. It has to be right by its very nature and it will do anything to remain right. It's the part of us that says "you're better than them" or "you can't do that", etc. Preconditioned responses. I'm hoping I don't have to explain why preconceived responses and notions are a bad thing. It all really comes down to killing your prejudices so you can actively experience life and reality. God I can really ramble when I let myself go... You thought right. biggrin About your rituals question: I think you might have pretty good success with daily affirmations and the like. Or possibly work on killing your doubt by practicing more "observable" things like a psi wheel if you haven't already. Like I said, I'm not that great with rituals of any kind really, but basic meditative processes I'm pretty well versed in.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:36 pm
Unrelated:
I laughed during a large portion of Oedipus... I just found it funny for some reason (and like to joke around as to why he ripped out his own eyes).
I'd say to reserve a day to fill it with small affirmations, and logical arguments. Make sure you don't fall into any logical fallacies though... you may not consciously pick up on them, but you will subconcsiously...
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:32 am
Khalida Nyoka Unrelated: I laughed during a large portion of Oedipus... I just found it funny for some reason (and like to joke around as to why he ripped out his own eyes). I'd say to reserve a day to fill it with small affirmations, and logical arguments. Make sure you don't fall into any logical fallacies though... you may not consciously pick up on them, but you will subconcsiously...
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:17 am
Joshua_Ritter Ok, back on topic. I was thinking of a couple different methods to do this. Big, elaborate, reserve-a-day-for-this type rituals. Small, little affirmation rituals you can do with yourself and a notepad/pencil, and logical and persuasive arguments you can use against foolish doubts. What would you all use for each? Moi personnellement, I'd kind of mix all those things together - a big ritual where you do something groundbreakingly intense, with some affirmations in there somewhere. I'm not so sure about the logical and persuasive arguments bit, but I'm sure something like self-hypnosis or Neurolinguistic Programming might help you there. Another awesome way you could do this is to incorporate what Io said earlier and get some magickally inclined folks together, then do something magickal - Find a nearby derelict building, hold some sort of ritual with your mates, and make the building haunted, for example. EDIT: As an addendum, there're a few chaos magick rites that help you "impose your Will on reality", thus presumably making your magick more verifiable. Chaos Mass 'C' is one such example, and the Marauder Underground were doing some funky s**t with a sigil to make reality fall to bits around them, which might help ye.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:13 pm
I've never yet been able to entirely purge my doubt, but for the most part it leaves me alone now. I simply decided that I could spend my life cringing in advance, too afraid to express myself openly, and die just as shriveled and unexpressed as I always was, or else I could accept that "reality" is a construct, and "normal" is just a statement of statistics. I allow my doubt to point out inconsistencies in my beliefs, then I journey to talk to a spirit about it. I've never yet had an unsatisfactory answer from that process. Which is weird, because you'd think right-brain stuff like talking to spirits wouldn't in any way placate right-brain skepticism. I make a little more headway toward belief and expression of such as I go. I call it learning to speak. Dreadfully dramatic, yes, but more or less accurate.
I think I'd be creeped out if I knew I'd exorcised my doubt. I mean, what if I got rid of the one thought process that would point out the practical implications of naked rituals in a public park? I'd just...yeah, spend entirely too much time worrying about unintended side effects.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:10 pm
Yvaine I've never yet been able to entirely purge my doubt, but for the most part it leaves me alone now. I simply decided that I could spend my life cringing in advance, too afraid to express myself openly, and die just as shriveled and unexpressed as I always was, or else I could accept that "reality" is a construct, and "normal" is just a statement of statistics. I allow my doubt to point out inconsistencies in my beliefs, then I journey to talk to a spirit about it. I've never yet had an unsatisfactory answer from that process. Which is weird, because you'd think right-brain stuff like talking to spirits wouldn't in any way placate right-brain skepticism. I make a little more headway toward belief and expression of such as I go. I call it learning to speak. Dreadfully dramatic, yes, but more or less accurate. I think I'd be creeped out if I knew I'd exorcised my doubt. I mean, what if I got rid of the one thought process that would point out the practical implications of naked rituals in a public park? I'd just...yeah, spend entirely too much time worrying about unintended side effects.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:04 pm
If anything, you wouldn't really be banishing Your Entire Logical Self, just the part of you that bitches and whines when Asmodeus pops in to say hi. As such, I don't think it'd really have a bearing on your faculties of reason, by and large.
Maybe.
Possibly.
I could be wrong.
On the upside, if I am, you'll be too insane to notice. 8D
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:48 pm
Mitsh If anything, you wouldn't really be banishing Your Entire Logical Self, just the part of you that bitches and whines when Asmodeus pops in to say hi. As such, I don't think it'd really have a bearing on your faculties of reason, by and large. Maybe. Possibly. I could be wrong. On the upside, if I am, you'll be too insane to notice. 8D
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