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Julien_Isfange

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:16 am


well wen i have Time from my 60 hr work week, i'll peak at them gonk
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:14 pm


Best that I've read so far as got to be Scott Cunningham. Living Wicca in particular is a valuable book for both beginners and intermediates. I haven't read anything from Kerr Cuhulain other than his essays on Witchvox, but I respect him.

Worst is definitely Silver Ravenwolf, but Edain McCoy and Teresa Moorey aren't too far behind. Ravenwolf I dislike because most of her books consist of spells, without focusing on the whys and wherefores of spellwork - which would allow the witch to write his or her own spell. (This is an area where Cunningham does very well in his Living Wicca.) I also object to a few misleading points she makes, "only Wiccans are Witches and anyone else is lying or fooling themselves" being one of the more offensive. (That's a paraphrase, not a direct quote.) I could go on and on here... but hey, if you're interested in someone ranting about Ravenwolf, there are articles about it online.

McCoy I have a grudge against because she doesn't do her research and I only found this out after I bought one of her books. Honestly, even if you don't do an ounce of research, you think you'd remember that the ancient Celts didn't have potatoes. Teresa Moorey still quotes Murray as correct in books written about 20 years after Murray was discredited. That's just irresponsible.

Anyone who references Margaret Murray without mentioning that she is widely discredited is not a good author. It's actually a good point to look for if you're unsure about an author.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:31 pm


Over the years I have read and critiqued the books of a variety of authors. The following is a list of authors that I personally do not recommend as good sources on Wicca or Paganism in general.

Kisma Stepanich - her books were found to be plagarized from another author and the publisher was forced to pull them from bookstores. But you'll still find copies out there. http://www.geocities.com/ferigold/truthfaery/index.html

Silver Ravenwolf: Encourages kids to lie to their parents about what they are doing, teaches curses and hexes, has a pretty strong anti-Christian bias. But for a good summary of the problems with her, take a look at this essay. http://wicca.timerift.net/ravenwolf.html

Fiona Horne - Got into this for the publicity. She admits that she isn't even a Pagan. Again, here's an essay on this author. http://wicca.timerift.net/horne.html

Raven Grimassi - I have known Raven on-line since back in the old Compuserve BBS days. Back then he was claiming to be Strega and looking down on all us Wiccan types because we didn't have long histories. Then the Strega came along and pretty well forced him to stop using a title he hadn't earned..hence his writings are now called Italian Witchcraft instead of Strega. Now he has set himself up as an authority on Wicca but is buying into the myths of the 'ancient' religion and the Burning Times.

Ann Moura - Tried to rewrite history to prove that Wicca is an ancient religion again! And she has a clearly anti-Christian bias in her books that bothers me.

D.J. Conway - Basically all her books are the same with the names changed to protect the guilty. Her books are full of inaccuracies, such as her book on Celtic Magic which discusses Karma and the Celts. Karma is an eastern concept and was not one that the Celts ever used. She also buys into the Great Potato Fallacy, claiming that the ancient Celts worshipped the potato as a symbol of the Goddess. The fact that the potato is a New World veggie and didn't get to Ireland until nearly 1600 (long after Ireland was thoroughly Christianized) never seemed to cross her mind.

Edain McCoy - Also a purveyor of the Great Potato Fallacy. She is the inventor of 'Witta' which she tried to claim was the ancient Irish form of Wicca. It isn't. The name she called this tradition by is one that would not have been found in any Celtic language. It is simply Wicca given a made up name. The one book of hers that I thought was worth much at all is "Inside a Wiccan Coven" where she is writing about her own experiences and not about anything that took a bit of scholarship.

Douglas Monroe - Very poor scholarship. His works on Druidry bear little resemblance to the known practices of the historical Druids, and even less to what is known about the Celts in general. Mr. Monroe is also a convicted *****.

Konstantinos - His books are a flagrant attempt to market to the Goth crowd. There is nothing in them that isn't covered better by other authors.

Gerina Dunwich - Lots and lots of fluff without a whole lot of substance. Many better authors out there to chose from, at least in my opinion.

I suppose one can learn something from almost any book, but the works of these particular authors require so much unlearning later because of the errors they contain that it is probably better just to spend your money on better books and save the time later to learn it right.

Hope this helps,

-Lark-
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:01 pm


Lark, you are awesome. Thanks for the extensive list of who to avoid. Several authors there I hadn't read yet and it's good to know who to avoid.

"Witta" irritates me more than I can say.

Sanguina Cruenta

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:12 am


Sanguina-chan
Lark, you are awesome. Thanks for the extensive list of who to avoid. Several authors there I hadn't read yet and it's good to know who to avoid.

"Witta" irritates me more than I can say.


Do not 'avoid' any authors.

It is far better to read and judge for yourself. Every author and every book has something worthwhile in it, even if that worthwhile gem you get out of it is learning about yourself by what you disagree with. Look at why people label an author as good or bad... it is usually for personal reasons and based upon what that individual values or does not value. I challenge posters in this thread to, instead of saying some author is somehow universally good or bad, clarify what exactly they are good or bad with. Some posters here have done that, others haven't. And before and whenever you criticize, also look for evidence of the contrary. In short, it goes back to what I said in the first sentance of this paragraph. Judge authors for yourself. Don't let others make up your mind for you.

Just bear in mind the source.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:27 pm


Most of the time, if I've heard bad things about an author, I'll check a book out of the library. That way, I can choose if it's worth buying or not.

AstralMagick


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:55 pm


AstralMagick
Most of the time, if I've heard bad things about an author, I'll check a book out of the library. That way, I can choose if it's worth buying or not.


I rarely buy. I instead make regular trips to Borders or Barnes and Noble to read what they happen to have there. If I don't like one particular book by an author, I don't assume I'll dislike everything else they've written. I'm not a fan of Buckland's writing style, for instance, but I won't steer clear of reading his works because of that.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:42 pm


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Sanguina-chan
Lark, you are awesome. Thanks for the extensive list of who to avoid. Several authors there I hadn't read yet and it's good to know who to avoid.

"Witta" irritates me more than I can say.


Do not 'avoid' any authors.

It is far better to read and judge for yourself. Every author and every book has something worthwhile in it, even if that worthwhile gem you get out of it is learning about yourself by what you disagree with. Look at why people label an author as good or bad... it is usually for personal reasons and based upon what that individual values or does not value. I challenge posters in this thread to, instead of saying some author is somehow universally good or bad, clarify what exactly they are good or bad with. Some posters here have done that, others haven't. And before and whenever you criticize, also look for evidence of the contrary. In short, it goes back to what I said in the first sentance of this paragraph. Judge authors for yourself. Don't let others make up your mind for you.

Just bear in mind the source.



My issue really is that I don't have the option of going to the library or spending any amount of time reading books in bookshops. In most cases, I have to buy. I've been stung a couple of times by really tragic research - and I loathe bad research - so I'm very wary about buying from authors who have researched badly in the past.

I'm not saying that the entire book is bad. There are always things to be learned. And if I can find the book at the library, I will read it, even if it's for nothing more than morbid curiosity. But as for buying, I won't buy from anyone who has a history as a bad researcher. That doesn't mean that the book itself is bad. I just really hate shoddy research. I hate authors who make stuff up as they go along and then sell it for personal profit. I feel that it's unethical, and therefore won't be giving that person my money.

But you are right. It's not a good idea to just avoid someone with no real reason for doing so. Perhaps I should have said "it's good to know who not to buy". I don't have much in the way of disposable income sweatdrop and it's really irritating to buy a book that's had a few good reviews and then discover that they think the ancient Celts had freakin' potatoes.

Let it be known! Read before you buy!

Sanguina Cruenta

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:11 pm


TN_Lark
Over the years I have read and critiqued the books of a variety of authors. The following is a list of authors that I personally do not recommend as good sources on Wicca or Paganism in general.

Kisma Stepanich - her books were found to be plagarized from another author and the publisher was forced to pull them from bookstores. But you'll still find copies out there. http://www.geocities.com/ferigold/truthfaery/index.html

Silver Ravenwolf: Encourages kids to lie to their parents about what they are doing, teaches curses and hexes, has a pretty strong anti-Christian bias. But for a good summary of the problems with her, take a look at this essay. http://wicca.timerift.net/ravenwolf.html

Fiona Horne - Got into this for the publicity. She admits that she isn't even a Pagan. Again, here's an essay on this author. http://wicca.timerift.net/horne.html

Raven Grimassi - I have known Raven on-line since back in the old Compuserve BBS days. Back then he was claiming to be Strega and looking down on all us Wiccan types because we didn't have long histories. Then the Strega came along and pretty well forced him to stop using a title he hadn't earned..hence his writings are now called Italian Witchcraft instead of Strega. Now he has set himself up as an authority on Wicca but is buying into the myths of the 'ancient' religion and the Burning Times.

Ann Moura - Tried to rewrite history to prove that Wicca is an ancient religion again! And she has a clearly anti-Christian bias in her books that bothers me.

D.J. Conway - Basically all her books are the same with the names changed to protect the guilty. Her books are full of inaccuracies, such as her book on Celtic Magic which discusses Karma and the Celts. Karma is an eastern concept and was not one that the Celts ever used. She also buys into the Great Potato Fallacy, claiming that the ancient Celts worshipped the potato as a symbol of the Goddess. The fact that the potato is a New World veggie and didn't get to Ireland until nearly 1600 (long after Ireland was thoroughly Christianized) never seemed to cross her mind.

Edain McCoy - Also a purveyor of the Great Potato Fallacy. She is the inventor of 'Witta' which she tried to claim was the ancient Irish form of Wicca. It isn't. The name she called this tradition by is one that would not have been found in any Celtic language. It is simply Wicca given a made up name. The one book of hers that I thought was worth much at all is "Inside a Wiccan Coven" where she is writing about her own experiences and not about anything that took a bit of scholarship.

Douglas Monroe - Very poor scholarship. His works on Druidry bear little resemblance to the known practices of the historical Druids, and even less to what is known about the Celts in general. Mr. Monroe is also a convicted *****.

Konstantinos - His books are a flagrant attempt to market to the Goth crowd. There is nothing in them that isn't covered better by other authors.

Gerina Dunwich - Lots and lots of fluff without a whole lot of substance. Many better authors out there to chose from, at least in my opinion.

I suppose one can learn something from almost any book, but the works of these particular authors require so much unlearning later because of the errors they contain that it is probably better just to spend your money on better books and save the time later to learn it right.

Hope this helps,

-Lark-


Thank you so much for this information. While I always read the book before becoming a critic, I will take this into stride as I read.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:17 am


yeah, so last time i looked at this post it wasn't so big! but yeah, i love reading and i'll read anybook i can get my hands on that has to do with interests of mine! i'll read a lot of books by different authors (both good and not so good) and i'll compare what they both had to say and what the larger audience's and other authors had to say and then i'll make my decision on wether i like it or not! i do however think that everybook is a good book at heart because every book has a message of somekind if not for you then for who??? Silver Ravenwolf may attract some teens with her hexes and spells, but furhter investigation into the "Craft" would show them famous names like Buckland and cunningham who would then show then the law of three fold return, and then teach them they lessons they need to learn! biggrin

this may not make sense because it's 12:16 in the morning where i'm at and i'm tired, i just thought i'd get it off my chest that everybody makes a good point! biggrin

Wether potatoes are Present or not!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:25 pm


I'll agree that Silver Ravenwolf isn't my favorite author. Sone of her tips were useful, but a lot of her 'spells' promote negativity, so I don't really look into her books much anymore.
I happen to run into an author by the name of Kerr Cuchulain (sp?), and he wrote the book called Full Contact Magick. His history that I know of is that he is a Wiccan police officer, and the book that I have read from him was quite useful, though I disliked his constant battering on Christianity. I think he's worth looking up though. 3nodding
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:16 pm


I don't think any author is *complete* crap. I started off with Silver Ravenwolf, but I do realize her flaws now and have grown up since then, but even she has useful tips and stuff. While I do agree on the anti-Christian bias, I wouldn't say that she promotes negativity.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:32 pm


Kasumi Kama
I heard Silver Ravenwolf helps out the fluff bunnies. ;]

By that, of course, that her writing fills peoples' heads with false information. I've yet to read her books, but I'm hoping to soon. I wanna see if her writing is worth anything.

Cunningham is always a good way to go. Same with Buckland.


Well, isn't that kind of judgmental to say even if you haven't read the author yet?
She isn't entirely bad, but I don't have a lot of money to spend on more books on Wicca from different authors. I go by familiarity.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:34 pm


Starlock
Sanguina-chan
Lark, you are awesome. Thanks for the extensive list of who to avoid. Several authors there I hadn't read yet and it's good to know who to avoid.

"Witta" irritates me more than I can say.


Do not 'avoid' any authors.

It is far better to read and judge for yourself. Every author and every book has something worthwhile in it, even if that worthwhile gem you get out of it is learning about yourself by what you disagree with. Look at why people label an author as good or bad... it is usually for personal reasons and based upon what that individual values or does not value. I challenge posters in this thread to, instead of saying some author is somehow universally good or bad, clarify what exactly they are good or bad with. Some posters here have done that, others haven't. And before and whenever you criticize, also look for evidence of the contrary. In short, it goes back to what I said in the first sentance of this paragraph. Judge authors for yourself. Don't let others make up your mind for you.

Just bear in mind the source.


True true.

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