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The amount of sheer force required to do something like that hardly bears thinking about. Needless to say, if it is even possible (which isn't certain), it would be extraordinarily rare for any entity to be capable of that. I have heard the usual rumors, but I know of no one who's encountered anything like that, or who has known anyone who has encountered anything like--and certainly I know of no one who has ever died that way.

If you have, can we see the obituary? razz OEC rumors can be exaggerated, and can quickly turn from 'what if' to 'this happened' faster than you can say 'telephone game'.
It is most likely just another energy-community urban legend (and there are many). The strongest effect any vamp (living or spirit) has been legitimately reported to create is temporary unconsciousness. In order to do more than that, something would have to destroy your soul, or create some effect OTHER than a simple energy drain to kill you.

First, different people use different mechanics in astral projection--some methods are riskier than others (some are safe as houses). Second, you're stating that this happens to people, but how do you KNOW that it does? This sounds exactly like the hearsay I was talking about--a simple rumor. Can you produce a single name of anyone this has ever happened to, so that it could be verified that they really did die that way?
This is not an unreasonable request. After you've been involved with this for a decade or so, you learn what you need to be skeptical about. You can't just believe everything because someone said so.

The only way someone could be killed if they were attacked while astrally projecting is if they were soul-projecting, and whatever it was that attacked them ate or captured their soul. That is VERY hard to do--the soul is an extremely powerful entity.

I've seen people sustain so much energy system damage that I was amazed they were functioning as living people--more than half their energy system completely missing--it's just TREMENDOUSLY hard to kill a living person that way. Perhaps that is one of the benefits of being alive.

Don't start trying to pull credentials. Thats a logical fallacy, arguement from authority. Her question is reasonable and she has no reason to trust in you unless you provide it.

I awakened when I was around 15, and I have been practicing AND studying energy-working since I was 16--so, yes. wink
I started out with Wicca, as that was most widely available. I learned earth-energy manipulation, and quite a bit about the mechanics of folk magick, then drifted into eclectic paganism. I have a smattering of knowledge about chaos magick and even a bit about Enochian. From there I went to pure psionics, studying under a mentor, beginning at about age 26. I was released last year (IE, 'graduated', my mentor felt he had no more to teach me). I've written a basic psionics training manual, and one on vampirism from an energy-worker's perspective. I am a primary administrator on The Psion Guild website and organization. Most of the time I spend these days is doing long-distance work with students, and researching vampirism directly through experiments.
Sufficient? wink

Yes, and now I see that its my lack of details that caused this misconception. I am not talking about beings that are still bound to the physical world as in astral beings.

Most of my dealings with spirit entities over the past decade have involved making them go away (one way or another, if you get my drift). I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement, here. I would consider a being bound to the material world to be...alive...or did you mean something else, such as a spirit that has been bound into a stone, or something like that? I've always had trouble understanding the 'astral plane' concept...I perceive matter and spirits to all essentially be in one 'place'...on different frequency levels, yes, but still all in one place. I did go to a frequency range I was told was 'the astral plane', but I did not perceive anything significantly different there. I've only been to one other 'plane' that I thought was really different, but it definitely wasn't the astral, and there were no spirits there.

I've never been able to determine if I'm just seeing far too much at once, or if I'm missing something. lol In any case free-roaming spirit entities were what I thought we were talking about. It would take something on the power level of a deity to destroy a soul, in my opinion, and very few things could capture one.
As I said before, I consider a soul to be an extremely powerful spirit entity in its own right, and being within a body might only make it more so, even if its actions were somewhat hampered.



There are legitimate reasons why people would attempt that--a physical threat is a very good reason. I have heard on occasion of psy-vamps dropping people who threatened them or someone else by draining their energy. I don't recommend relying on this in a bad situation, but it is a possibility. Curiousity has been another reason for people to try it. Making people pass out seems to be one of those things that vamps discover accidently half the time, though. It's not that easy to do or to reproduce consistantly, as it requires an enormous quantity of energy to pulled at an extreme rate of speed.
I have also never heard any legitimate stories of an HLV killing someone through energy drain--just causing them to faint and sleep for 3 days.

I'd probably be dead by then... o_o;; Right. Well, that would suck. sweatdrop

I'm not 100% sure. I've been to a lot of 'places'. I have been told that I made it there, but as I said, it didn't look that different from anywhere else to me. IE, the astal plane looks like any other plane...though I don't like using the term 'plane' much.
I always do work consciously.

Someone could give me a sig for a location there, and I could pop in and describe what's there, sometime? I just don't know what the big deal is...all one place to me, just looking at different levels.