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yes, what's your point?

yuppers. i know you're using this to get your message across, but i'm still not sure where you're going with it.

a lot of the levitical law was abolished because of our freedom in christ. (John 1:17 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ)

that is why we can eat those food which were unclean in the old testament. (Romans 14:14a As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself.)

however, some of the laws from the old testement, such as the ten commandments remain, because they are not part of the freedom that we have because we are under grace. homosexuality is forbidden in the new testament, just as it is forbidden in the old testament.

(1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.)



and also, i'm not just prejudice against gays. i have a good friend who is gay, and though i disagree with his life style, i really love the kid; he totally rocks, so it's not like i'm just out to get gay people or anything. i'm just totally commited to jesus, and want to follow his word.

I use NIV translation. The KJV basically says the same thing in this verse, it's just that the NIV puts it more clearly.

And also, while Corinthians isn't the directs words of Jesus, it's part of the Bible, and thus, God's word to us, even though it was given to us through men.

The levitical laws were there to point out people's sin. The law was given to show that humans cannot follow it, so that we must turn to Christ as our savior. The law is there to show us our sinfullness, so that we can turn to Jesus.

Romans 5:20-21 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Also, Romans 16:17 was not refering to everyone who happens to sin. I sin, I act contridictory to my own beliefs sometimes (though i'm not proud of it), if you take that verse like that, then I'd have to avoid myself, and that's quite impossible. What that verse was refering to was people who were claiming to be Christians, but weren't really following Jesus, and were just stirring up dissention in the church with petty arguments.


And I think part of why we disagree is that we view the Bible totally differently. You view it a lot more subjectivly than I do. I really do believe that it is the word of God. I'm not sure that you actually believe that all of it is true. Now maybe you do, and I might just be misjudging you, it's just that I think because we view the Bible so differently, I'm sure we're ever gonna agree on the issue, so we'll probably just keep going around and around with it.

I can answer this one.

If you look at the Old Covenant, you get a lot of rules and regulations, most of which can be split up into two categories, the cleanliness laws (kosher foods, regulations on diseases, that the like), and the moral laws (the Commandments, as well as the behavioral laws). The cleanliness laws were put in place by G-d, many scripturalists believe, as both a way of physically distinguishing the Israelites (the things about the tassels and stuff like that), as well, they acted as excellent deterrents to disease and malnutrition, which was especially important, considering that Israel was a nomad nation for quite a long time. Other rules, like the quarentining of mildew-y cloth, and the no eating of previously dead animals and what-not, are just good rules that promoted a high standard of living.

Now, the behavioral laws, you'll find, mirror a lot of those in the New Covenant. The difference is in the emphasis. The Old Covenant focus more on the deeds being done (i.e. do not murder), while the New Covenant focuses more on the intention behind said actions (i.e. 'whoever hates his brother has murdered him'). This is because the Old Covenant was meant to teach us (humanity) how to love, while the New Covenant teaches us simply to love.

Or something like that.

God says that a lot of things are spiritually wrong.
Though I'm quite positive that you've told a lie before, yes? Or looked at a guy and thought lustful things. Perhaps you've hated your enemies even.
If you have done any of these (and most likely you have), then you have sinned just as much as anyone else. I do not feel that homosexuality is a sin - however, supposing that I'm wrong and it certainly is - there is nothing wrong with that man from the Amazing Race being gay and a Christian than there is with you being a Christian. Apparently, we are all guilty of one sin or another. You can never erase sin completely from your life, except by ...ermmm ...what's the word I'm looking for? ...Right now I want to say "loading it all on Jesus" but that sounds ...ehh xD. Well, you're a Christian, I think you know how to get God to forgive your sins. The homosexual can do so as well if he/she believes that their sexual acts are wrong in the eyes of the Lord. However, I don't believe that people can just "turn straight". No matter what any "Ex-gay" happens to state, it just doesn't convince me. Sexuality is hardwired into the brain. Science has found that the hypothalamus(sp?), also known as the part of the brain which controls sexuality, is similar in lesbian women and straight men (ergo the attraction to female pheromones). Same goes for gay men and straight women. You cannot take out a piece of your mind, rewire it, and put it back in place. That'd be some risky surgery right there. Everyone has male and female aspects of their mind, depending on the amount of androgens they received in utero. Nobodies gender is completely female or completely male. If there is somebody perfect in their gender, scientists have yet to find them. Forcing a homosexual to be celebate ...is a tragic thing to me. Or forcing a homosexual to have a relationship with someone they don't want to be having one with. If you think it is sin, live with it and recognize that you're sinning just as much as they are, and like them - you'll never be perfect.

Remind me why they're not necessary anymore? They seem rather important to me.


So he essentially kept the same laws. Fair enough. 3nodding

Really, you do seem to take a very Baha'i approach to the Bible.

I like the Baha'i. They're fun people. xd

As to my ACTUAL response to this post...





Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you guys. *bow*