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 Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:22 pm
Yeah, but I was just saying that depending on what 'sorces' you come across you may get a more one-sided version, and some people like to keep things a certain way in their mind sometimes. Which just means that the odd person may insist he(or something) is only a certain way. I'm going to avoid Judeo-Christian examples of difference in their own sects, lol.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:12 pm
Dorian Requiem Yeah, but I was just saying that depending on what 'sorces' you come across you may get a more one-sided version, and some people like to keep things a certain way in their mind sometimes. Which just means that the odd person may insist he(or something) is only a certain way. I'm going to avoid Judeo-Christian examples of difference in their own sects, lol.
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It's not so much the source as the location. The gods were viewed and worshipped differently in different places. What Pan was honored for in one area may have been completely different than what He was in another. However, that does not mean that only one area has the correct "version" of the god. It simply means that either that is the only side of Himself He wished to display to that area, or the only aspect of His godhood that applied to their area. Therefore, when looking at the Greek gods, it's best to take every "aspect" they are known for and combine them together. I dunno if this would apply to other pantheons, seeing as I really haven't studied any others.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:07 pm
Azhreia Jenah Novembere Shadows What drives me the most nuts about satanism is the term witch is applied to satanists and to wiccans. People tend to confuse the two and draw the conclusion that wiccans are satanists, which they are not.
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Neither are all witches. To automatically assume that a witch is a Satanist (or even that a Satanist is automatically a witch) is erroneous and just downright lacks any kind of common sense. (This was not directed at you, Novembere, but at close-minded individuals in general.) Now, I'm not saying I'm OFFENDED if someone automatically thinks I'm a Satanist because I'm a witch; I really don't care. What irks me is that people are so lazy and afraid that they are unwilling to research even the tiniest bit beyond their own twisted li'l worldview.
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The reason this drives me nuts is I had a conversation with someone and he was getting Satanism and Wicca mixed up when they are two different religions. He's one of those people that thinks any religion that isn't Christian is Satan worshipping. And I understand that it was not directed at me. Thank you for your input.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:01 pm
Novembere Shadows I have a friend who's a satanist and she says that satanism is more the worship of the self, as opposed to the worship of a divine being. This struck me at first as satanism being very narcissistic. And I read something about satanism involving eight days of sacrifice. What drives me the most nuts about satanism is the term witch is applied to satanists and to wiccans. People tend to confuse the two and draw the conclusion that wiccans are satanists, which they are not. A frind of mine told me the same thing.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:17 pm
TheOneTheyKnowAsSorrow88 I'm confused. I was watching an exorcist thing on the history channel. They said that anyone that is in league with satan, the devil, is called a witch. Not the same kind of witch as a wiccan mind you, but it's called a witch. I'm confused because I've met people that knew about satanism, or said that they were satanists...But they say satan isn't evil? It IS the same satan out of the bible they're worshiping isn't it? I'd say he's evil cause well..He's not as forgiving and he's just downright cruel. So...Why would you want to follow/worship someone that doesn't care about you???? Of course if I'm all wrong correct me. This is why I made this post. They say Satan is the earthy manefestation of human needs. Some of them worship the devil as an entity not all of them do. That is a very unaformed show. Jeez. And No witch I know worships Satan - this is just a Christian bias. You are looking at it that way. What if the Bible is actually totally scewed and Satan is the one that is good? You're looking at this as though he had to be evil and that he actually did these things. If I wasn't Wiccan I would be Satanist. Wiki-SatanismChew on that....
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:18 pm
The Resurrection And just what is "in league with Satan"? Western society classes so many things under that inaccurate umbrella phrase. Depending on who you ask, it can be anything from the forever stereotyped goth kiddies to anyone who isn't a certain sect of Christianity. The term is applied frequently, correct rarely. Well of course you're not going to worship something you think is evil, that's just retarded. The run of the mill Satanist is likely a La Veyan Satanist. They don't believe in Satan as a literal being, but rather a force of nature, the animal side of human beings. They are typically atheistic. The theistic Satanists... I don't know so much about them, but they worship various gods considered basically synonymous with Satan by Christianity (some do worship Satan of Christianity, but it's by and large not the norm). Various gods of the theistic Satanist include Belial, Set, and various Mesopotamian gods. Here here!
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:20 pm
TheOneTheyKnowAsSorrow88 Well it's called SATANISM....If it's not worshiping the christian satan then WHY is it called satanism? That's kind of stupid. Why don't they call it...Ra-anism IDK. But you don't have to be so rude because I don't know about it. You know very well what I meant when I said pagan. I meant that they worship certain gods/nature/elemants/faeries/etc. But I'm done with this. I didn't think I'd get someone so rude because I'm asking questions and assuming the reasonably obvious when it's called SATANISM. You're being kinda ignorant really, just google the church of Satan.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:22 pm
babyXphantom If what I read is correct - modern satanists take the icon of the Christian Satan and take the attributes ( that are very human ) and endulge on that. Using those traits in ritual and etc. So in a way, they do worship Satan. But not so much like you think, they just love the idea of being more human, then trying to be more like a god. Or more divine. Indeed, modern satanism is really just a slap in the face as to the name. Even though they do rever satan as an icon or archetype... they aren't revering the Christian belief that he is all evil and wants to destroy things and all that. But in all seriousness - I have a high belief that nothing and no one can be entirely evil or entirely good for that matter. We've all done something to hurt another, even if it wasn't intended. And 'evil' can love its family and friends. And then what does that say about evil? Someones been a reading!
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:34 pm
Are you sure the History Channel wasn't talking about the views of people a long while back, like during the Salem Witch Trials? Usually they are accurate and do research; I'm also pretty sure I saw what you were talking about.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:36 pm
Well, there's a difference between LaVeyan and Theistic Satanism. LaVeyan Satanists are the atheistic ones that worship themselves and indulge in pleasures, etc., basically what the other posters have been talking about. Theistic Satanists are the demon/Satan-worshippers. I don't understand why the LaVeyans don't just call it "LaVeyanism" or something like that, since they KNOW they're going to get that response with their current name, but they adore conflict, so they probably don't mind all that much. XD
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:42 pm
skullgrl babyXphantom If what I read is correct - modern satanists take the icon of the Christian Satan and take the attributes ( that are very human ) and endulge on that. Using those traits in ritual and etc. So in a way, they do worship Satan. But not so much like you think, they just love the idea of being more human, then trying to be more like a god. Or more divine. Indeed, modern satanism is really just a slap in the face as to the name. Even though they do rever satan as an icon or archetype... they aren't revering the Christian belief that he is all evil and wants to destroy things and all that. But in all seriousness - I have a high belief that nothing and no one can be entirely evil or entirely good for that matter. We've all done something to hurt another, even if it wasn't intended. And 'evil' can love its family and friends. And then what does that say about evil? Someones been a reading!
However she is a tad inaccurate. There are two types of Satanists: ones who believe in an actual Satan and others that believe in what he represents (meaning he exists in the animalistic ways that humans should act with). Then, of course, there are smaller groups within those that have their own ideas (these are usually separate from the Satanic Church). Their problems usually are solved with spells and such, for example they believe if someone wrongs them they have the right to harm that person back. There is even a spell for that.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:44 pm
Darin Rosewood Well, there's a difference between LaVeyan and Theistic Satanism. LaVeyan Satanists are the atheistic ones that worship themselves and indulge in pleasures, etc., basically what the other posters have been talking about. Theistic Satanists are the demon/Satan-worshippers. I don't understand why the LaVeyans don't just call it "LaVeyanism" or something like that, since they KNOW they're going to get that response with their current name, but they adore conflict, so they probably don't mind all that much. XD
From what I've heard they enjoy that it induces fear in people, seeing as Satan is seen as a "scary" "evil" thing.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:53 pm
Xx_Nobody_xX skullgrl babyXphantom If what I read is correct - modern satanists take the icon of the Christian Satan and take the attributes ( that are very human ) and endulge on that. Using those traits in ritual and etc. So in a way, they do worship Satan. But not so much like you think, they just love the idea of being more human, then trying to be more like a god. Or more divine. Indeed, modern satanism is really just a slap in the face as to the name. Even though they do rever satan as an icon or archetype... they aren't revering the Christian belief that he is all evil and wants to destroy things and all that. But in all seriousness - I have a high belief that nothing and no one can be entirely evil or entirely good for that matter. We've all done something to hurt another, even if it wasn't intended. And 'evil' can love its family and friends. And then what does that say about evil? Someones been a reading!
However she is a tad inaccurate. There are two types of Satanists: ones who believe in an actual Satan and others that believe in what he represents (meaning he exists in the animalistic ways that humans should act with). Then, of course, there are smaller groups within those that have their own ideas (these are usually separate from the Satanic Church). Their problems usually are solved with spells and such, for example they believe if someone wrongs them they have the right to harm that person back. There is even a spell for that.
True, true but could be less informed!
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