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 Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:10 pm
shojokakumeii00 Well the part about U-DO that confuses me is what exactly IS a "wave conciousness"? I've heard a lot of different interpretations of it, though a fairly common one is that it's a collection of souls. But then that begs the question of who's souls and where did the come from / how did they come to form this thing called U-DO. And if U-DO is just a collection of souls how is it "evil" -- what's its motive? Pied Piper showed us how it makes people go crazy, by showing them the "edge of the world" but beyond that it's a bitof a mystery (And THEN there's this whole thing about it being the Zohar control program AND the Unusmundus Drive Operation system -- again going with the prevalining theory of what a "wave conciousness" is, a collection of souls, how does that work for a control program?). God forbidd they turn Xenosaga into a bigger FFX copy... God forbiddddddddddddddddd if U-DO turns out to be 'wave existance' which turns out to be -Bad Fayth- In Final Fantasy X, there were fiends, dead souls... that envied the living. And so they turned into fiends to prey upon the living. So since you asked what motive it would have... Once more god forbid that they make U-DO's motive jealousy of the living. And turn U-DO into some sort of evil FFX type Fayth. And as for the control program, perhaps if they did make the game like FFX... The Zohar would be like a Fayth statue... The statues in the temple acted as a communicator between the summoner and the fayth so they would inherit the power of that particular summon in that temple. So... if the Zohar could do something like that...you know it's time to blow up Namco...
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:24 am
Heh, if you want more similarities, 'ohnoes lightning!' happens in both- But yeah. I don't think it'll be like ff10. You could go about saying ff6 and ff7 are the same. Just because they both have an insane guy who wants to destroy the world and become a God. Then you have the good guys and the half esper/ancient who eventually destroy him. But you know, they were both very different stories, even if they did have a few similar elements. Heck, you could say most rpgs are the same game, if you wanted to go down that path. (Path? X_x) I don't think U-DO is evil. It's a thing, with a higher form of existance. I guess 'wave conciousness' might mean that it's like a radio wave, only it's alive, so to speak. As in, it's aware of things, and has a mind. Like the Gnosis, it exists out of the physical realm. If it is Death (as the ODM considers), then perhaps it just thinks seeing as nothing lasts forever, then why should the universe? It may also explain why U-DO doesn't think of eternity as necessary. Therefore, it doesn't see anything wrong about bringing an apocalypse? (Speaking of apocalypse, aren't Albedo, Rubedo, Nigredo, and Citrine, supposed to be the horsemen?) Plus, U-DO can't be the big bad. Seeing as Wilhelm appears to be more powerful. Quote: Wilhelm: Don't you realize� you won't have to worry about your inferiority complex anymore� This is what I'm giving to you. A new world you haven't even imagined� Voyager: That existence� is even more powerful than U-DO? Wilhelm: That depends on you. Also, I don't believe U-DO made people mad. Both Voyager and Yuriev, who made contact with U-DO, may have seemed mad, but they actually had sane-ish purposes. Voyager made a contract with U-DO because he didn't want to die. Yuriev didn't want to die either, but instead of making a contract with U-DO, he decided to seek out a way to destroy it. And I doubt U-DO actually corrupted Albedo. He was already slightly unstable ever since he learned he was the only one who wouldn't die. And then, when he connected with U-DO, he lost his reason for existance. (Going by the ODM) Quote: He was an existence that was called "anti- U-Do", and because he had received U-Do, he lost the reason for existence that URTVs have. For someone who has lost the significance of his own existence, what must he do? Only by seeking a new significance can he affirm himself. ...it is considered that Albedo established his own reason for existence-- to seek a re-linking to U-Do." ..If any of that made sense. I'm not the best at discussing shtoof. ^^;;
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:12 am
Meh heh yessers
Though... it's a proven fact that Aeris died for nothing... Holy did the complete opposite of what everyone thought it would do XD
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:07 am
But she did- She died for the sake of fmvs! domokun
Ohdamns. The domo addiction is back.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:57 am
Ziggurat the Eighth But she did- She died for the sake of fmvs! domokun Ohdamns. The domo addiction is back. omg... that was funny lmao... just lmao... you take the cake home *Hands you a big icecream cake with Aeris on top*
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:44 am
o_o meh favourite type of cake whee
And Aeris shall live in the sephiproof nutella jar, along with the squeezy-clingy mini koala. D:
I wish I had a digital camera. XD;;
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:48 am
Ziggy... your the new joker of the guild XD sephiproof nutella jar XD lol. We're going way off topic.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:13 am
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:06 pm
Nutellaaaaaaaaaaa~
Sorry, I had to do that...
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:23 pm
[SPOILERS][Pied Piper SPOILERS] This is my theory about U-DO: Quote: Meris: I’ve thought about this before. Somewhere far away, and a long time ago… I wondered, before we’re born into existence, does our consciousness exist as part of an all-encompassing mind? A consciousness that exists everywhere, and the moment we accept life, we’re torn away from that circle. “Joining the circle once more.” Maybe that’s the true purpose of existence… Lactis: But you can’t enter the circle while you’re alive…? Meris: Right. I thought that the only way in was to sever your connection to your own life… Remembering that now, I think that what we’re doing is a violation of the Golden Rule. I think that U-DO is the "all-encompassing mind". I think this because most that have come in contact with it have tried to re-join with it again and in the process of joining with it give their own life. Also, Pied Piper seemed to explain alot of things and it gave me a few ideas about Feb and her sisters. I'm more interested in Ziggy as well.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:51 pm
Whatever, next time try to write it in white... it really helps things.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:04 pm
shojokakumeii00 And just a quick note about spoilers in this topic, since it's a discussion topic and spoiler warnings can get rather annoying to deal with, just put a little warning either at the start of your post or before the part that might contain spoilers -- don't bother with anything elaborate like whiting out text, it just breaks the flow of conversation. Episodes 1, 2, the ODM don't require specific warnings (ie. if you're just discussing one of those you don't have to bother with a spoiler warning in this topic unless the post also has Pied Piper spoilers).Ok! Discuss things! According to the original poster that isn't necessary.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:57 am
Chaos Rising shojokakumeii00 Since I finally got around to reading the translation of the game (available here: http://zarathustra.kaisho.org/ ) I figured I'd try to start up a discussion about it here. First off I have to say I'd much rather have seen this in Episode 2 than the crazy WTF?! fest that was disk 2 -- in other words it was interesting and stuff actually happens. But enough of the Episode 2 whining and on to the stuff of a more spoilery nature. Spoilers for Pied Piper Being a rather big fan of the whole URTV thing, naturally Yuriev's involvement in this story was one of the things that really caught my attention. The first thing that really supprised me was when I finaly started thinking about where PP fits into the overall timeline -- it's something like 100-150 years in the past (from Episode 1 that is) -- which would make Yuriev well over 150 by the time he shows up in Episode 2! And then there was the whole thing about the sheer ammount of political influence he had, which is making me suspect he's a much more important character than I had first thought (Episode 2 gave me the impression that his only real purpose storywise was to create the URTV). I'm really starting to think he's more-or-less a rival of Wilhelm's (especially if you concider some of the later sections where it basically explains that Yuriev's goal in whatever it is he's doing boils down to trying to prevent the end of the world where as Wilhelm's ultimate desire is just that, the end of the world).
And then there's U-DO, 3 games, an anime, a few books, a manga, and a pile of "official" doujinshi and we still don't know what the hell it is. Though I will say that Pied Piper certainly shed some light on the nature of the thing, but I have to say I still don't get it. My understanding of it at this point ammounts to: it's a big, evil, amorphous blob of purple that lives in the UMN or Old Miltia and makes people go crazy by showing/telling them about the end of the world (ok this just occured to me, but does that remind anyone of Nephilim? I mean with the whole showing people the end of the world and not exactly existing in the conventional sense? eh maybe I'm just crazy...).
Oh and was anyone mildly ammused at the fact that Pope Julius was assassinated? I wonder if his last words were "Et tu, Brute Voyager?" Ok that was just stupid. I'll shut up while I'm ahead - now people, discuss things!
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And just a quick note about spoilers in this topic, since it's a discussion topic and spoiler warnings can get rather annoying to deal with, just put a little warning either at the start of your post or before the part that might contain spoilers -- don't bother with anything elaborate like whiting out text, it just breaks the flow of conversation. Episodes 1, 2, the ODM don't require specific warnings (ie. if you're just discussing one of those you don't have to bother with a spoiler warning in this topic unless the post also has Pied Piper spoilers).Ok! Discuss things! ... Chaos... please do not quote Shoku's entire post, well...an entire that post that long just to write '...' three dots. We're here to discuss, not make silly posts with only three dots.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:45 pm
Lacrimosa Ephemerality Chaos... please do not quote Shoku's entire post, well...an entire that post that long just to write '...' three dots. We're here to discuss, not make silly posts with only three dots. I did that to show that to show that whiting out text wasn't necessary and to make sure I didn't miss anything in the original post (besides what I highlighted in red)so I used the entire post. I see now that the highlighted section is sufficient and I have edited my post. I used the "..." because I thought that the quote would have been self-explanatory. I've edited that as well. I don't think you need to patronize me by saying it was a "silly post" it had a point and I'm sorry you didn't get it.
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