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 Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:54 pm
No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!
THIS is the guild, why would we change it? Any good reasons are massively outweighed by the bad ones. Just no.
And if we do go, I choose Zae has power and no one else. It's her game, her choice, not the communities.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:54 pm
I'm going to do one of those mass-replies ya'll are so fond of...
- Padme Potter of Hobbiton -
1. That's the idea.
2. She doesn't care about the guild anymore, her real life got in the way.
3. Why?
4. We've gotten over it before? And who made Zaeyde god anyhow?
5. Or this one would look like the copy.
- Anael De Ezra -
But, when we had mediators they could force things to stop. Right now we have to put up with it and let it escalate until it stops.
You say it will do no good, yet you have offered no proof.
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
I notice you always seem to come up with the fanciful ideas the would only work if everyone agrees to work together. Unfortunately we're not in a perfect world where everyone cooperates. There would be people who would blow the "sheriff's" directives off, pointing out their lack of real power. You're right, we couldn't enforce punishment or rule-breaking, thus why sheriffs exist in real life and not on the internet.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:55 pm
Sniper Game Mule I'm going to do one of those mass-replies ya'll are so fond of... - Padme Potter of Hobbiton -1. That's the idea. 2. She doesn't care about the guild anymore, her real life got in the way. 3. Why? 4. We've gotten over it before? And who made Zaeyde god anyhow? 5. Or this one would look like the copy. - Anael De Ezra -But, when we had mediators they could force things to stop. Right now we have to put up with it and let it escalate until it stops. You say it will do no good, yet you have offered no proof. - Return_of_Watanuki-san -I notice you always seem to come up with the fanciful ideas the would only work if everyone agrees to work together. Unfortunately we're not in a perfect world where everyone cooperates. There would be people who would blow the "sheriff's" directives off, pointing out their lack of real power. You're right, we couldn't enforce punishment or rule-breaking, thus why sheriffs exist in real life and not on the internet. I'm a writer. It's what I do.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:05 pm
Sniper Game Mule
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
I notice you always seem to come up with the fanciful ideas the would only work if everyone agrees to work together. Unfortunately we're not in a perfect world where everyone cooperates. There would be people who would blow the "sheriff's" directives off, pointing out their lack of real power. You're right, we couldn't enforce punishment or rule-breaking, thus why sheriffs exist in real life and not on the internet.Lemme get this straight. You're dissing Zae for being to proccupied and thus doing nothing to moderate, dissing 'Watanuki's idea of having ultimately-powerless sheriffs to moderate, but stated earlier that you plan on using this mule as a 'dead account', and to not take part in the 'day-to-day activities'?
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:07 pm
And now for another mass-reply.
- `Nymphie -
I think that's because there was just a bit of resentment towards the VCs because of how they were chosen. They weren't elelcted, Zae just assigned them one day and that was that. They also were making choices without consulting the guild, which, since they were from among the masses and unelected, sparked resentment.
- Merumiharu -
No offense, but that sounds like a personal problem to me. Perhaps quitting a couple of dead guilds is in order?
- Insomnesiac -
Better is not best. Agreed, people have to decide to settle down on their own, however a VC can put down the public arguing, and force them to take it to PMs or be punished for it.
- Sibeiko -
In a way, yes that's good, but it's also bad. It leaves nobody there to be the hands that push the fighters apart when the come to blows. Arguments happen, even among mature adults brawls occur, it's human nature. I've taken psychology classes on relationships between people, there's something about our species that makes it very hard for use to cooperate with everyone. Perhaps it's because we don't allow killing of others, or don't eat our young, whatever it is that leaves the troublemakers around results in an inability to completely cooperate.
- Peles Tears -
Okay, so you did read. I see what you mean, but I disagree. Anonymously or no, the VCs would be upset if none of their attempts resulted in positive feedback like happened to Meru and Nymphie.
- Eikichi Taro Stalth -
You seem to have a severe god complex where Zaeyde is involved. Fact is she isn't all that special, she brought us the game, yes, but now she's moved on. You need to accept that.
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
That wasn't intended to be offensive, by the way, but your idea wouldn't hold up.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:10 pm
I don't like you.
Anonymous mules aren't good.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:11 pm
Lets face it guys, when was the last time you saw Zaeyde? And before that? Exactly my point. Zaeyde is just to caught up with things to be able to give things the attention they need. And expecting her for when she does come back to do everything that neds to be done would be just plain old cruel.
Imagine you in her place. Would you want spend the little precious time that you had for gaia solving other people's problems? I can see wanting to be respectful to her dream of the GCSG and what not, but being this dependent on Zaeyde and expecting this much out of here is disrespectful and rude. She calls it the Gaia COMMUNITY Sniper Game. If she wanted it to be about her, she would have named it Zaeyde's Sniper Game. I would imagine she would want us to work together as a community to take care of our problems cause we're the ones that it affects.
And I do understand our little anarchy thing is doing fine and we're looking good watching after ourselves, but there are some things we need a Captain for. Neglecting that fact is just plain idiocy.
We do not have to move for good. Just until she gets back and can take care of things in her own time.
So what will it be? Waiting around hoping our much too burdened leader will come back and herd us around like sheep, or take matters into our own hands and let the GCsG live on?
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:11 pm
Sniper Game Mule And now for another mass-reply.
- `Nymphie -
I think that's because there was just a bit of resentment towards the VCs because of how they were chosen. They weren't elelcted, Zae just assigned them one day and that was that. They also were making choices without consulting the guild, which, since they were from among the masses and unelected, sparked resentment.
- Merumiharu -
No offense, but that sounds like a personal problem to me. Perhaps quitting a couple of dead guilds is in order?
- Insomnesiac -
Better is not best. Agreed, people have to decide to settle down on their own, however a VC can put down the public arguing, and force them to take it to PMs or be punished for it.
- Sibeiko -
In a way, yes that's good, but it's also bad. It leaves nobody there to be the hands that push the fighters apart when the come to blows. Arguments happen, even among mature adults brawls occur, it's human nature. I've taken psychology classes on relationships between people, there's something about our species that makes it very hard for use to cooperate with everyone. Perhaps it's because we don't allow killing of others, or don't eat our young, whatever it is that leaves the troublemakers around results in an inability to completely cooperate.
- Peles Tears -
Okay, so you did read. I see what you mean, but I disagree. Anonymously or no, the VCs would be upset if none of their attempts resulted in positive feedback like happened to Meru and Nymphie.
- Eikichi Taro Stalth -
You seem to have a severe god complex where Zaeyde is involved. Fact is she isn't all that special, she brought us the game, yes, but now she's moved on. You need to accept that.
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
That wasn't intended to be offensive, by the way, but your idea wouldn't hold up. I wasn't offended. I know that it probably wouldn't work, but if we made an effort together, I think we could make SOMETHING work without having VCs.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:12 pm
sweetnessfairy Sniper Game Mule
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
I notice you always seem to come up with the fanciful ideas the would only work if everyone agrees to work together. Unfortunately we're not in a perfect world where everyone cooperates. There would be people who would blow the "sheriff's" directives off, pointing out their lack of real power. You're right, we couldn't enforce punishment or rule-breaking, thus why sheriffs exist in real life and not on the internet.Lemme get this straight. You're dissing Zae for being to proccupied and thus doing nothing to moderate, dissing 'Watanuki's idea of having ultimately-powerless sheriffs to moderate, but stated earlier that you plan on using this mule as a 'dead account', and to not take part in the 'day-to-day activities'?
Fact: Zaeyde has a real life, she is entitled to it, it is selfish of us to expect her to return and be the way she was before life got in the way.
Fact: That's right, they'd be ultimately powerless, making them useless.
Fact: I said this account would be dead, after the elected VCs were given their power to moderate.
Would you rather it if I were here saying "Ya'll should come to my guild and let me rule over you."?
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:14 pm
Sieg Reyu.2 Lets face it guys, when was the last time you saw Zaeyde? And before that? Exactly my point. Zaeyde is just to caught up with things to be able to give things the attention they need. And expecting her for when she does come back to do everything that neds to be done would be just plain old cruel. Imagine you in her place. Would you want spend the little precious time that you had for gaia solving other people's problems? I can see wanting to be respectful to her dream of the GCSG and what not, but being this dependent on Zaeyde and expecting this much out of here is disrespectful and rude. She calls it the Gaia COMMUNITY Sniper Game. If she wanted it to be about her, she would have named it Zaeyde's Sniper Game. I would imagine she would want us to work together as a community to take care of our problems cause we're the ones that it affects. And I do understand our little anarchy thing is doing fine and we're looking good watching after ourselves, but there are some things we need a Captain for. Neglecting that fact is just plain idiocy. We do not have to move for good. Just until she gets back and can take care of things in her own time. So what will it be? Waiting around hoping our much too burdened leader will come back and herd us around like sheep, or take matters into our own hands and let the GCsG live on?
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:16 pm
Return_of_Watanuki-san Sniper Game Mule And now for another mass-reply.
- `Nymphie -
I think that's because there was just a bit of resentment towards the VCs because of how they were chosen. They weren't elelcted, Zae just assigned them one day and that was that. They also were making choices without consulting the guild, which, since they were from among the masses and unelected, sparked resentment.
- Merumiharu -
No offense, but that sounds like a personal problem to me. Perhaps quitting a couple of dead guilds is in order?
- Insomnesiac -
Better is not best. Agreed, people have to decide to settle down on their own, however a VC can put down the public arguing, and force them to take it to PMs or be punished for it.
- Sibeiko -
In a way, yes that's good, but it's also bad. It leaves nobody there to be the hands that push the fighters apart when the come to blows. Arguments happen, even among mature adults brawls occur, it's human nature. I've taken psychology classes on relationships between people, there's something about our species that makes it very hard for use to cooperate with everyone. Perhaps it's because we don't allow killing of others, or don't eat our young, whatever it is that leaves the troublemakers around results in an inability to completely cooperate.
- Peles Tears -
Okay, so you did read. I see what you mean, but I disagree. Anonymously or no, the VCs would be upset if none of their attempts resulted in positive feedback like happened to Meru and Nymphie.
- Eikichi Taro Stalth -
You seem to have a severe god complex where Zaeyde is involved. Fact is she isn't all that special, she brought us the game, yes, but now she's moved on. You need to accept that.
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
That wasn't intended to be offensive, by the way, but your idea wouldn't hold up. I wasn't offended. I know that it probably wouldn't work, but if we made an effort together, I think we could make SOMETHING work without having VCs.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:19 pm
Eikichi Taro Stalth And if we do go, I choose Zae has power and no one else. It's her game, her choice, not the communities. Zae is GONE. GONE GONE GONE. She is not an issue in any decisions anymore. Her feelings dont matter, because nothing we do will affect her because she is GONE and not coming back. She's tried to come back a few times and it has NEVER lasted for more then a day or two. It is OUR choice, and OUR game now. Waiting for her to do anything would just kill us :/
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:20 pm
Sniper Game Mule Return_of_Watanuki-san Sniper Game Mule And now for another mass-reply.
- `Nymphie -
I think that's because there was just a bit of resentment towards the VCs because of how they were chosen. They weren't elelcted, Zae just assigned them one day and that was that. They also were making choices without consulting the guild, which, since they were from among the masses and unelected, sparked resentment.
- Merumiharu -
No offense, but that sounds like a personal problem to me. Perhaps quitting a couple of dead guilds is in order?
- Insomnesiac -
Better is not best. Agreed, people have to decide to settle down on their own, however a VC can put down the public arguing, and force them to take it to PMs or be punished for it.
- Sibeiko -
In a way, yes that's good, but it's also bad. It leaves nobody there to be the hands that push the fighters apart when the come to blows. Arguments happen, even among mature adults brawls occur, it's human nature. I've taken psychology classes on relationships between people, there's something about our species that makes it very hard for use to cooperate with everyone. Perhaps it's because we don't allow killing of others, or don't eat our young, whatever it is that leaves the troublemakers around results in an inability to completely cooperate.
- Peles Tears -
Okay, so you did read. I see what you mean, but I disagree. Anonymously or no, the VCs would be upset if none of their attempts resulted in positive feedback like happened to Meru and Nymphie.
- Eikichi Taro Stalth -
You seem to have a severe god complex where Zaeyde is involved. Fact is she isn't all that special, she brought us the game, yes, but now she's moved on. You need to accept that.
- Return_of_Watanuki-san -
That wasn't intended to be offensive, by the way, but your idea wouldn't hold up. I wasn't offended. I know that it probably wouldn't work, but if we made an effort together, I think we could make SOMETHING work without having VCs. We all have a problem, we all admit we need leadership. A way to fix that would be to make someone "in charge' that we all agree upon, such as IHD or someone, and then listen to them. If it's someone everyone likes and respects, then it would have a fighting chance. I've called this guild a family before. And in a family, there is COMPROMISE. We have to work TOGETHER to keep our ship from sinking. No one person can't do it by themselves. But I think we can solve it right here, in our guildyhome.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:24 pm
I love Zae as much as everyone else and was deeply saddened by the news of her leaving, but I knew better than to cling onto her and her rule.
I mean, when Washington stepped down from being president after his second term did everyone turn a blind eye to their country's needs and hope he would come back for a third term? NO!!!!!!!!!
When Booth popped a cap in Lincoln's head what would have happened if everyone decided to just wait and hope that he would come back to life and lead them some more, while in the mean time, they simply looked after themselves and ignored the growing problems? All the other country's would have got together and done the humane thing. Shot everyone in the head.
Oh yeah, and by the way, I have a dead guild I bought eons ago that I would be willing to sell for as low as 8k.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:25 pm
[N]ymphie Eikichi Taro Stalth And if we do go, I choose Zae has power and no one else. It's her game, her choice, not the communities. Zae is GONE. GONE GONE GONE. She is not an issue in any decisions anymore. Her feelings dont matter, because nothing we do will affect her because she is GONE and not coming back. She's tried to come back a few times and it has NEVER lasted for more then a day or two. It is OUR choice, and OUR game now. Waiting for her to do anything would just kill us :/
Which is exactly why we need this.
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