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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:43 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hey, that's all good. That's how you've decided to live your life and this is how we've decided to live ours. Christianity is alot like the Matrix though- the only way to know what it's like is to really be in it, I mean really. Otherwise you'll never know. I know what it's like to be a Christian. I prefer atheism. We don't have a Hell. You don't have a Heaven either rolleyes Sorry, felt obligated to point that out xD It's not like anyone goes to your heaven, anyway. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1333785445421925818http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCaoQuote: The truth for me is atheism is the only belief system that simply baffles me. I mean, I've got friends who are atheists and stuff, and I don't believe in forcing religion on other's so I'm okay with it, but the idea of there not being a God just confuses me. How so? It's really quite simple. There is no invisible man who tells you what to do and what not to do. That's it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:50 pm
Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hey, that's all good. That's how you've decided to live your life and this is how we've decided to live ours. Christianity is alot like the Matrix though- the only way to know what it's like is to really be in it, I mean really. Otherwise you'll never know. I know what it's like to be a Christian. I prefer atheism. We don't have a Hell. You don't have a Heaven either rolleyes Sorry, felt obligated to point that out xD It's not like anyone goes to your heaven, anyway. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1333785445421925818http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCaoQuote: The truth for me is atheism is the only belief system that simply baffles me. I mean, I've got friends who are atheists and stuff, and I don't believe in forcing religion on other's so I'm okay with it, but the idea of there not being a God just confuses me. How so? It's really quite simple. There is no invisible man who tells you what to do and what not to do. That's it. I'm well aware not everyone goes to Heaven. I understand the concept behind atheism, but I can't really comprehend it. It's like I was saying earlier- I look around and my life and the world and stuff, and all that tells me there has to be some sort of high diety. It's hard to explain, I know what it is, but... just doesn't really work for me and my min frame, is the best way I can think to describe it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:49 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hey, that's all good. That's how you've decided to live your life and this is how we've decided to live ours. Christianity is alot like the Matrix though- the only way to know what it's like is to really be in it, I mean really. Otherwise you'll never know. I know what it's like to be a Christian. I prefer atheism. We don't have a Hell. You don't have a Heaven either rolleyes Sorry, felt obligated to point that out xD It's not like anyone goes to your heaven, anyway. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1333785445421925818http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCaoQuote: The truth for me is atheism is the only belief system that simply baffles me. I mean, I've got friends who are atheists and stuff, and I don't believe in forcing religion on other's so I'm okay with it, but the idea of there not being a God just confuses me. How so? It's really quite simple. There is no invisible man who tells you what to do and what not to do. That's it. I'm well aware not everyone goes to Heaven. I said no one goes to your heaven. No one can logically go to the Christian heaven. Quote: I understand the concept behind atheism, but I can't really comprehend it. It's like I was saying earlier- I look around and my life and the world and stuff, and all that tells me there has to be some sort of high diety. It's hard to explain, I know what it is, but... just doesn't really work for me and my min frame, is the best way I can think to describe it. A peer of mine said it best: "So wait a minute...Rather than believe in things like evolution which have hard, solid evidence to have occurred, you would rather believe in an invisible man who came from nowhere, created a bunch of things for no apparent reason other than to have them worship him, wrote a book that is chalk full of contradictions, intolerance, and overall immaturity, then came and died so he could break his own rules? Whatever, man."
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:28 pm
thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly Hey, that's all good. That's how you've decided to live your life and this is how we've decided to live ours. Christianity is alot like the Matrix though- the only way to know what it's like is to really be in it, I mean really. Otherwise you'll never know. I know what it's like to be a Christian. I prefer atheism. We don't have a Hell. You don't have a Heaven either rolleyes Sorry, felt obligated to point that out xD It's not like anyone goes to your heaven, anyway. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1333785445421925818http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCaoQuote: The truth for me is atheism is the only belief system that simply baffles me. I mean, I've got friends who are atheists and stuff, and I don't believe in forcing religion on other's so I'm okay with it, but the idea of there not being a God just confuses me. How so? It's really quite simple. There is no invisible man who tells you what to do and what not to do. That's it. I'm well aware not everyone goes to Heaven. I understand the concept behind atheism, but I can't really comprehend it. It's like I was saying earlier- I look around and my life and the world and stuff, and all that tells me there has to be some sort of high diety. It's hard to explain, I know what it is, but... just doesn't really work for me and my min frame, is the best way I can think to describe it. You know, I have exactly the same problem understanding Christianity. It baffles me that anyone can believe something as far-fetched as Christianity. It would be like a lemon trying to tell how humans talk. It's impossible to understand. the only reason that comes to my mind is convenience. If you don't like the idea of dying and being gone forever, you decide (I'm using decide loosely here) to to go with this quiant idea that you can live for eternity after you die. Religion was created to answer the questions that we had no answers to. Now, we have a good understanding of the world around us and we no longer require religion to be satisfied. however, it still exists. this isn't right, in my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:50 pm
Dr. Kool thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ Lethkhar I know what it's like to be a Christian. I prefer atheism. We don't have a Hell. You don't have a Heaven either rolleyes Sorry, felt obligated to point that out xD It's not like anyone goes to your heaven, anyway. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1333785445421925818http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCaoQuote: The truth for me is atheism is the only belief system that simply baffles me. I mean, I've got friends who are atheists and stuff, and I don't believe in forcing religion on other's so I'm okay with it, but the idea of there not being a God just confuses me. How so? It's really quite simple. There is no invisible man who tells you what to do and what not to do. That's it. I'm well aware not everyone goes to Heaven. I understand the concept behind atheism, but I can't really comprehend it. It's like I was saying earlier- I look around and my life and the world and stuff, and all that tells me there has to be some sort of high diety. It's hard to explain, I know what it is, but... just doesn't really work for me and my min frame, is the best way I can think to describe it. You know, I have exactly the same problem understanding Christianity. It baffles me that anyone can believe something as far-fetched as Christianity. It would be like a lemon trying to tell how humans talk. It's impossible to understand. the only reason that comes to my mind is convenience. If you don't like the idea of dying and being gone forever, you decide (I'm using decide loosely here) to to go with this quiant idea that you can live for eternity after you die. Religion was created to answer the questions that we had no answers to. Now, we have a good understanding of the world around us and we no longer require religion to be satisfied. however, it still exists. this isn't right, in my opinion. Quite. It's dead weight that only slows the progression of science. A lot of good minds are lost to fundamentalism.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:13 pm
sweatdrop Ummm...there is one teensy-weensy problem with that video. The stuff in it is well...to put it bluntly, incorrect. The person who made it misinterpreted a lot of stuff, and took plenty of things out of context.
Getting into Heaven really is as simple as accepting the free gift of eternal life offered to us. There aren't any prerequisites that have to be met in order to go. No "special eight steps" to follow. People make it as if we have to work for it by "being a good person", "going to church" or any other excuse that's been thought up. A lot believe that we have to meet some sort of standard, but that really isn't the case.
Oh, and a little bit of info about Hell...
for some reason, a lot of people have the idea that God sends people to Hell for not believing in Him or whatever. Quite the contrary of this belief is that Christ died on the cross so that we didn't have to go. His death was payment for our sins, so that we have a way to restore our relationship with God, and give us a way to go to Heaven, which is offered as the gift of eternal life. God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, so he sacrificed His son to take punishment that we deserved.
^_^ Just a random bit of info there. So yeah, anyone feel free to correct me if what I said was wrong...I need to get to bed, though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:59 am
Alright, i just watched that video about why God isn't real. The guy is absolutely right. However, he's not right in all of those. I don't remember exactly what he said, but a lot of it was a little over done. The bible does contradict itself many times, just not as much as he said. That is all.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:02 am
Dr. Kool Religion was created to answer the questions that we had no answers to. Now, we have a good understanding of the world around us and we no longer require religion to be satisfied. however, it still exists. this isn't right, in my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:19 am
I beg to differ. In the times when the Bible was written, they really had no science. They might have had some things like science, but they didn't really have science. This is why they wrote a Bible. People of the greeks time didn't know why there were seasons, so they made a myth to explain seasons. Now we know why we have seasons. Chrisitanity is no different than greek mythology, its made up stories of old that attepmt to explain things that we can't understand.
The reason we don't have an answer to a lot of the things that you mentioned is that science is in its infancy. However, it might be able to in the future. The only reason we have questions like "does something special happen after we die" is we want there to be something. Pure logic should tell you that nothing happens, because there's no reason for there to be. Actually, science has a pretty good explaination of why 7 grams of weight leaves after you die. And the part a about soul follows what is being said about Heaven. logic should tell you that we don't because we are collections of mollecules, just like everything else.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:31 am
Dr. Kool I beg to differ. In the times when the Bible was written, they really had no science. They might have had some things like science, but they didn't really have science. This is why they wrote a Bible. People of the greeks time didn't know why there were seasons, so they made a myth to explain seasons. Now we know why we have seasons. Chrisitanity is no different than greek mythology, its made up stories of old that attepmt to explain things that we can't understand. Well darn I wish I knew where I put that book... the one that points out the similarities between the Bible and science. Like before anyone knew the water cycle, it was described in the Old Testament... in one of the first five books I believe. And if you look through a high school earth science book, it tells you the order that things started appearing in the world. Check the Bible, and it's the same order. I think there's a little something about astrology in there too. But the basic idea behind it, one that I firmly believe, is that science doesn't exist to contradict the Bible, that in fact they work side by side. I think it's called You Can Trust the Bible or something along those lines. sweatdrop It's an interesting read. Not only that, but there's a great quote from Darwin himself. I can't remember the exact wording (and curse the home computer that has no internet so I can't just run and find these things), but an eye, almost any eye on any creature, corrects and refocuses itself around 200 times a minute. Then there was some scientific mumbo jumbo at the end of which Darwin admitted that something which functions so efficiently could not be complete chance. Yes, evolution exists. No, we were not created perfect. But how boring would THAT be? As for the actual topic... how do I know God exists? There's no way to explain. It's like being in love. You've heard about it, you know it might be out there, but until you finally experience it for yourself it's completely alien. I had a car accident that could have killed me, and yet I was never scared. There was this quiet peace I had the entire time, when I should have been screaming. There's a force in this world that brings tears to my eyes when I have no reason to cry, and a deep comfort that no other human could ever bring to my mind. There IS a spiritual world out there, and someone's got to be in charge.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:02 pm
It's no impossible to get into Christian heaven. Basically if you believe in God and confess that Jesus is your savior and mean it then regardless of your sins, you'll go to heaven.
And actually, I believe in evolution. And in most things that science teaches.
I guess your beliefs come down to the kind of person you are. I'm a very spiritual person, so, as I've said, I look around and know there has to be something more. I have a friend who's agnostic and she's also very spiritual. She believes in a high being, prays, and everything. She doesn't really have a religion is all. I have another friend who is also agnostic, but she's not a spiritual person. She believes in a higher being, but doesn't really care so a lot of the stuff she does most Christians would discourage.
I don't really believe there's an "invisible man telling me what to do". That makes it sound rather ludacrice. I view God more as a benevolent force in my everyday live. The old guy with a beard sitting in the clouds just doesn't really sit as being accurate with me. God's everywhere, so I don't think I need to imagine him physically. That seems like putting God in a box which is rather ridiculous.
I know there's no great way to defend my beliefs and that they may defy logic. But that's what makes them amazing, in my opinion. And that's just how I am- I defy logic, in a lot of ways.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:56 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:08 pm
Eliza9790 http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm LoL. I think the atheists here, wil find this funny. That's actually pretty funny. I know there's a lot of flaws in the Christian argument but I'm okay with that. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:11 pm
Lady of Serenity sweatdrop Ummm...there is one teensy-weensy problem with that video. The stuff in it is well...to put it bluntly, incorrect. The person who made it misinterpreted a lot of stuff, and took plenty of things out of context. Getting into Heaven really is as simple as accepting the free gift of eternal life offered to us. There aren't any prerequisites that have to be met in order to go. No "special eight steps" to follow. People make it as if we have to work for it by "being a good person", "going to church" or any other excuse that's been thought up. A lot believe that we have to meet some sort of standard, but that really isn't the case. Oh, and a little bit of info about Hell... for some reason, a lot of people have the idea that God sends people to Hell for not believing in Him or whatever. Quite the contrary of this belief is that Christ died on the cross so that we didn't have to go. His death was payment for our sins, so that we have a way to restore our relationship with God, and give us a way to go to Heaven, which is offered as the gift of eternal life. God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, so he sacrificed His son to take punishment that we deserved. ^_^ Just a random bit of info there. So yeah, anyone feel free to correct me if what I said was wrong...I need to get to bed, though. Point out the misinterpretations... And the general consensus is that you need to at least believe in God to recieve "the morning after pill for sin".
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:15 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Dr. Kool Religion was created to answer the questions that we had no answers to. Now, we have a good understanding of the world around us and we no longer require religion to be satisfied. however, it still exists. this isn't right, in my opinion. Actually, it can. The simple explaination is that viruses aren't technically living. Killing a virus is like killing a rock. What's this "Darwin's black box"? I've never heard of it. confused Quote: Science can't say for sure what happens after a person dies or if there is even a soul. Of course it can. You people just don't believe it. Quote: Science can't explain the sudden disappearance of a few grams of a person's body after they die. I've never even heard of this. Do you have any sources? Now souls have mass...Interesting. I'm sure there's a logical explaination. Perhaps the blood clotting... Quote: No science is conclusive because you have different professionals of the same branches who argue amongst each other. And I'm not trying to put science down; I'm going into psychology so I'm a scientist myself (in training anyway) and I think science is necessary, because all the things I said about science can be said for religion. Religion and God pick up where science leaves us. Just because we have a "good" understanding of the world doesn't mean we don't need God anymore. I do disagree. God offers us nothing that we don't already have a fair understanding of. It's all Voodoo. (Nothing against Voodooists...)
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