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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:43 am
famusamu PoppyDadswell Scabby Bee In a way, I think that Saddam should have lived. He should have been forced to spend his life uncomfortably in prison, and he should have had the counselling that many murderers have. This counselling enables them to relive their moments of killing, to actually feel the gore and violence, feel for their victims... The point is so the killers will eventually show remorse and see the horror in murder. I wanted Saddam to realise the horror of his crimes and have to live with that shame and guilt every single day until the day he died. Who knows, maybe he would have repented? i agree.the iraqi goverment killing a murder like saddam makes them also murders and also under their own rules punishable by death too... no one but God has the right to talk away another's life.if we murdered everyone who did us wrong the world would be a horrible place and i'm sure i'd be murdered by now.i dont think you have to christian to be saved-the jews and muslims are also mentioned in the bible and follow similiar rules. G-d commanded the Children of Yisrael to rise up and kill many peoples He passed judgement on, just read the books of Exodus and Joshua. Once again I site Numbers 35:9-34, It's not murder to kill a killer. you are refering to the old testament while is 'an eye for an eye,a tooth for a tooth' but you forget that Jesus made that no longer the case.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:47 am
Ksam famusamu PoppyDadswell Scabby Bee In a way, I think that Saddam should have lived. He should have been forced to spend his life uncomfortably in prison, and he should have had the counselling that many murderers have. This counselling enables them to relive their moments of killing, to actually feel the gore and violence, feel for their victims... The point is so the killers will eventually show remorse and see the horror in murder. I wanted Saddam to realise the horror of his crimes and have to live with that shame and guilt every single day until the day he died. Who knows, maybe he would have repented? i agree.the iraqi goverment killing a murder like saddam makes them also murders and also under their own rules punishable by death too... no one but God has the right to talk away another's life.if we murdered everyone who did us wrong the world would be a horrible place and i'm sure i'd be murdered by now.i dont think you have to christian to be saved-the jews and muslims are also mentioned in the bible and follow similiar rules. G-d commanded the Children of Yisrael to rise up and kill many peoples He passed judgement on, just read the books of Exodus and Joshua. Once again I site Numbers 35:9-34, It's not murder to kill a killer. I don't think its correct to believe the Bible word for word (and I know most Christians don't), but still the idea of killing someone else doesn't seem right to me, not matter what they have done. christians are expected to believe the bible word for word but often the king james bible is hard to understand.its up to God to pass judgement.we have just as much sin as saddam.
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:55 pm
Judgment Against Evil Kings
"This is what the Lord says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the opressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place. For if you are careful to carry out these commands, then kings who sit on David's throne will come through the gates of this palace, riding in chariots and on horses, accompanied by thier officials and thier people. But if you do not obey these commands, declares the Lord, I swear by myself that this palace will become a ruin"
Jeremiah 22:3-5
"Though you are like Gilead to me, like the summit of Lebanon, I will surly make you like a desert, like towns not in habited. I will send destroyers against you. (I believe this was those who invaded iraq) each man with his weapons, and they will cut up your fine cedar beams and throw them into the fire. People from many nations will pass by this city and ask one another, "Why has the Lord done such a thing to this great city?" And the answer will be; Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord thier God and have worshiped and served other gods."
Jeremiah 22:6-9
This is what I believe was happening. I do believe God will get rid of an evil king.
Example
"As surly as I live, declares the Lord, even you, Jehoiachin don of Jehoiakim king of Judah, were a signet ring on my right hand I would still pull you off. I will hand you over to those who seek your life, those you fear - to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and to the Babylonians. I will hurl you and the mother who gave you birth into another country (Gods pretty disgusted apparently) where niether of you was born, and there you both will die Jeremiah 22:24-26
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:47 pm
famusamu Ksam I don't like the fact that you wrote that as if to say that he was wrong to not believe in Christanity, because remeber it is only your faith, and not the faith of everyone, remember we won't really find out the truth until we are dead.. anyway that isn't what this is about ... I think it wrong to have killed Saddam, I'm really annoyed about it, because I feel that it will just lead to more fighting, and less actually trying to sort out the problem. He should have just been up in solitary confinment for the rest of his life, because isn't just sitting there waiting to die worse that actually dying? Thats just what I think. Any one who doesn't proclaim that Jesus Christ is LORD is bound for hell PERIOD! There is no 'my truth' or 'your truth' there in ONE TRUTH and His Name is Jesus! Jesus said in John 14:6 "I AM the Way the Truth and the Life no man comes to the Father but by Me." You say you are annoyed the Iraqi Government killed Saddam? ARE YOU CRAZY? He was tyrant! He killed 148 people in Dujail and at least hundreds of thousands of Kurds, other ethnic Iraqis, he killed his brother-in-law on live TV and even his sons-in-laws, let me tell you the world is better off that he is dead. There is no paradise or 72 virgins waiting on Saddam, his soul is in hell and will be plunged into the lake of fire to burn for all eternity. It would have been a grave injustice for him to live. Saddam tortured people, being civilized the Iraqi Goverment killed him quickly. Why let him take up jail space? Why spend money to house, feed and clothe him? Why pay guards to watch him? Jails and prisons are meant to be temporary not permanent. They are for people who hopefully one day will be rehabilitated. There was no rehab for a mass murderer like Saddam! Even the Bible has provisions for killing a person who has committed manslaughter (Numbers 35:9-34) Funny little tidbit... a later translation of the Qu'ran states that you recieve 70 raisins when killed while killing an infedel.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:31 am
To make it short and sweet...
... I'm glad he's dead.
I know we're not suppose to wish death on people but, less people like him, the better the world is.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:43 pm
Ksam x_Hikari_x Yes, I think that's definately a good thing to pray for. I didn't really pay attention to the whole thing...I just heard he was hanged and that was that.
But it must be sad. Imagine living your whole life proclaiming something that is completely false. Imagine killing people for the sake of a god that does not exist. Imagine beleiving in something so much that you would die for it, only to find that it was not true. Saddam clearly thought he was in the right, or else those would not have been his dying words. But just imagine after his death, looking into the very Face of the God whom he has hated for so long. The Bible says that every knee will bow, and I imagine that those who do not wish to do so willingly will end up like king Belchazzar (sorry...did not spell that right, and I'm too lazy to look it up) in Daniel chapter 5 where his knees knocked together and his hips snapped and he fell to his knees. I wonder what he would say to the world now, knowing what he does.
lol, yes, this is what I think about...but it's interesting to me... I don't like the fact that you wrote that as if to say that he was wrong to not believe in Christanity, because remeber it is only your faith, and not the faith of everyone, remember we won't really find out the truth until we are dead.. anyway that isn't what this is about ... I think it wrong to have killed Saddam, I'm really annoyed about it, because I feel that it will just lead to more fighting, and less actually trying to sort out the problem. He should have just been up in solitary confinment for the rest of his life, because isn't just sitting there waiting to die worse that actually dying? Thats just what I think. I agree with what you said. I feel sad as to what happened to the people and to Saddam. Yes, he is a person with many bad qualities. With a bad side, there must be a good side to him that we must not have seen. I'm sure as a President, Bush must have been really stressed out. Now, I'm not really too sure if he is a Christian or not, but I've heard he is. Everyone has a second chance and many more chances. I had hope that he would have turned around and proclaimed that God is God n stuff like that. Why? Even though Saddam was a traitor etc... He was a very good leader whether he had good intention or bad intention, same goes for Hitler. He stood up and did something, and eventually people followed him. He had great leadership qualities! *has a moment of silence for Saddam*
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:55 am
how can u guys be glad that a person is dead? are u kidding me?
sure he was a horrible horrible person, but no one deserves death. murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer. God should get to choose when a person leaves this Earth, not some stupid government. how can u be so quick to doom a person to an eternity of torture? he was a bad person, so he will go to hell, and he can suffer then.
saddam was a ringleader. now, with him gone, all of the people the next level down are going to take power. instead of one homicidal freak, we will have multiple homicidal freaks. u pull out the weed and two more sprout up from it's place.
i am sickened that anyone who claims to be a good christian would celebrate the death of another. I'm not even that religious, but even I've heard the phrase "love ur enemy as u would love ur neighbor" and "treat ur neighbor how u would want to be treated"
im not in love with him or anything, but he was just a crazy person who happened to get too much power. it happens all the time, and u dont see us blowing up our asylums just to rid us from potential evil.
agg, im sorry, but this really frustrates me.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:23 pm
I don't know if anyone should be saying "Saddam is in hell." We don't know that. Only God knows, and only God can judge who goes where.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:55 pm
i bet that he prolly wanted to die rather than rot in prison....
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:48 am
lifeistupid429 . murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer As I have stated MANY MANY TIMES it's not murder to kill a murderer! Read the Bible before making theories please! The loss of any human life is tragic yes, but Saddam had to pay for what he did. Had he of lived there was a chance he could have escaped and killed more people! If Saddam murdered your family would you want him to live? Ask yourself that? He was found guilty by his own government and sentenced to death by his goverment. You said G-d should get to choose when a person dies...... He does! He decides who lives and who dies, He also gave us His Commandments that tell us to put to death a murderer!
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:13 am
Xirapha I don't know if anyone should be saying "Saddam is in hell." We don't know that. Only God knows, and only God can judge who goes where. If Saddam didn't accept Jesus as his LORD and Savior then when he died is is definately in hell. Saddams last words: One of the guards, though, became angry. “You have destroyed us,” the masked man yelled. “You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.” Mr. Hussein was scornful. “I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persian and Americans.” The guard cursed him. “G-d d@#* you.” Mr. Hussein replied, “G-d d@#* you!” What were Saddams words?
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:11 pm
famusamu lifeistupid429 . murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer As I have stated MANY MANY TIMES it's not murder to kill a murderer! Read the Bible before making theories please! The loss of any human life is tragic yes, but Saddam had to pay for what he did. Had he of lived there was a chance he could have escaped and killed more people! If Saddam murdered your family would you want him to live? Ask yourself that? He was found guilty by his own government and sentenced to death by his goverment. You said G-d should get to choose when a person dies...... He does! He decides who lives and who dies, He also gave us His Commandments that tell us to put to death a murderer! wtf are you talking about. of course it's murder to kill a murderer. if saddam had killed my family, you know what? i would want him to die. but that doesn't make it right. just because i would want vengeance doesn't make vengeance right. god says u need to be punished for your sins in the OLD TESTAMENT jesus came to save us for our sins so that we don't need to die for them. we can be forgiven. if you're going to post in a CHRISTIAN guild, at least PRETEND like you believe jesus came to save us
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:47 pm
wow that was a waste of 30 seconds of my life.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:43 pm
famusamu lifeistupid429 . murder is a sin, even if u are killing a murderer As I have stated MANY MANY TIMES it's not murder to kill a murderer! Read the Bible before making theories please! The loss of any human life is tragic yes, but Saddam had to pay for what he did. Had he of lived there was a chance he could have escaped and killed more people! If Saddam murdered your family would you want him to live? Ask yourself that? He was found guilty by his own government and sentenced to death by his goverment. You said G-d should get to choose when a person dies...... He does! He decides who lives and who dies, He also gave us His Commandments that tell us to put to death a murderer! Bravo! 3nodding Genesis 9:5-6 (ESV) ..."Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed..."
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:46 am
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