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*passes him the creamer* I would wonder about someone who is pro-war. They would probably have some kind of disallusionment, where they think that if they go to war or kill so many people it will be 'payback' for what someone else from that country or whatever did to them. It really doesn't make sense to me...and about Iraq anyways....are we really helping them set up their own government? It seems to me that we put another ditactor, american-educated, in place, so that we could have control over certain oil places...we have done that many times--and it hasn't always worked out. I would feel better if they had someone from the country itself, who lives there and knows the people, knows what they need, and how to get it to them.

About war in general...

Some would say it's another way of population control. For example, if our scientists really did come up with a way to make people live forever, how else would we die? Accidents and diseases can't take enough away, and so many people would keep reproducing and keep living that the world's natural supplies would be overrun, and eventually, destroyed. The wars would start/continue/worsen over resources, land, etc... we would start killing each other for food, shelter, mates, those kinds of things.

And why? We already kill each other for those kinds of things...why do we need more people to do it with? That's essentially what it would be...more people with infinite life-spans to do battle...

I believe we create our own problems. Look back to the Indians--they lived such simple lives, and American Indians were healthy, happy, had plenty of land and resources... They still warred with each other, to be sure, but really, they lived with the land, not just on it. They respected it and understood it, in ways that we don't today.

Other kinds of people didn't know that way of living, so they destroyed it. We believed that by making things, improving our technology, we would move up in life. And so many believe we have. But we are destroying the land.

I would think that to move up in the world, I would get rid of all of this stuff that I have, go back to the earth, and live the way the Indians used to. But I can't. I'm not cut out for that--I don't have the resources or the skills. I really don't even know what my point is. Maybe I'm just sad because I can't do that. That we all can't possibly heal what we have done unless everyone starts doing it.

I was in the National Guard at one time, which I'm ashamed to say. It seemed like a good idea at the time, until I went to Basic Training and they tried to brainwash me with "kill! kill! kill!" Not only that, but that everyone must be EXACTLY the same. It's like joining a society ruled by dictators or socialists. To uphold the Christian values of the country by killing for no cause... or no cause that you are told.

I recently started playing Battlefield 2 - which is an online war simulation game. I don't normally like that type of game... but a few friends play it and the demo was horribly addicting. One realization I had, is that the game was VERY similar to real war because I had no idea why I was fighting, who I was killing and no remorse for accidentally firing on unfamiliar allies. And I'm sure it is just as easy to die in a real war, too.

I digress... war sucks. I think we should just have the world leaders box it out on pay-per-view... or they can hire stand ins to box. Hell, use the money to help with the deficit or feed poor children. Something! It's really stupid to involve thousands or millions of people in a dispute of ideals between a handful of people. OR, maybe we could just have our wars determined by Battlefield 2 or something. We will battle it out virtually in front of the world. A virtual war of ideals, if you will.

Why is that exactly? because it has been accepted as the unavoidable. Darwin hardened this fact with natural selection...Survival of the fittest which has been interpretted by these ignorant protectors as kill first or be killed. We are the fittest so we will survive...whoever else dies in the process is merely a casuality of evolution.

And Christian Hypocrisy isn't any better with the "divine Crusades" to save the promised land.

I am not pro that war. And I'm not technically pro any war. But I'm not entirely anti-war either.

I'm all in favour of fighting for your freedom. If that means that I won't take someone else proclaiming my country annexed to theirs and here's a few nice new laws for you people living over there lying down, so be it.

I'm in favour of freedom. But can we really know freedom if there is nothing that challenges it?

Which reminds me *smiles* I need to pick up Clausewitz again.

Oh yeah. I feel that.

Personally, I'm neither pro-war or anti-war. I just say let people fight their own battles. Strap Dubya with a shottie and drop him in Iraq to keep the peace. Hell, call Vince McMahon at the WWE offices in Connecticut, arrange a real World title match, between George Bush, Tony Blair, Saddam Hussein, and Osama bin Laden. Hell, I'd support that, because it'd either be Blair or Bush who would win. I mean, come on, we're afraid of a sixty-plus-year-old man in prison, and a middle-aged-to-elderly man on dialysis. We need some new standards of fear.

I still haven't decided whether coffee or intellectual thought is more important to me...do you guys make espresso? xd

Moderation is one of those weird words. People say it, but they don't mean it. I like to say I drink caffeine in moderation, when in reality every time I get within twenty feet of a caffeine source, I drink it dry. I have the capacity to drink two pots of coffee an hour, if I allow myself any at all.

And then there was the original thought that to cure alcoholism, we allow confirmed alcoholics liquor in moderation. Oh yeah. That worked real well.

What does "in moderation" mean? Where does the line between "enough" and "too much" get drawn?

*walks in and looks around*
wow you guys talk of war being bad and yet all youve done is fight??

oh well its fun even when we deny it
this is thepointof teh guild and Ill join the fights in a sec
Ill take a Red Bull

Yep. Like how some people find treating their elders like crap as 'fine', while I look at that as 'completely unacceptable'. I had a particular kid I know in mind, by the way. That's where the lines of moderation and tolerance are drawn, between two words. And they're flexible, too, aren't they?

And ochimaru, I know I have a brain. I just fried it as a kid smoking pot and drinking. I'm one of those rare brains/brawn combinations that can still think while lifting heavy things. Plus I can sing! mrgreen

I just have this way about me. I'm sarcastic. I'm a smart a**. And assorted other words that mean roughly the same thing. I'm a smartass and a dumbass, and I use my brain. Kinda weird, eh?

I'm glad to be here, where I can fry my brain the right way.