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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:24 pm
How dare you misquote me, I said you were CORRECT. Get it RIGHT. oh and [******** boston]
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:40 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:19 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:22 pm
Shuma-Gorath Roninofthewest I just dont read his posts any more. Thats the great thing about the scroll function. smile As far as i'm conscerned, to be a martial artist means one thing. To devote yourself fully to the perfection of your art. I agree with Ronin, I value his opinion, there is no set answer to the question so he is not wrong.
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:18 pm
Uriko1.0 Shuma-Gorath Roninofthewest I just dont read his posts any more. Thats the great thing about the scroll function. smile As far as i'm conscerned, to be a martial artist means one thing. To devote yourself fully to the perfection of your art. I agree with Ronin, I value his opinion, there is no set answer to the question so he is not wrong.
OH, and btw, everyone here who DOESN'T read my posts are afraid of shattering their fantasies.
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:18 am
To be a martial artist means, that I could resolve a situation knowing I had my training at my disposal and never need to use it.
I belive that it is someone who wants 'inward growth of character'. Someone trying to be a better person by learning respect and discipline, someone that sees a challenge and loves it!
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:50 pm
Roninofthewest TaeKyon Bruce Lee52 I think it means being the best you can be, trying to improve your skill while still having a tranquil state.That doesn't make any sense. Stimulus, resistance, hardship, challenge are required for growth. Consider, in order to increase your strength, muscles have to resist against weights. In order for bones to harden, they have to be placed under stress for them to remodel (Wolff's law). In order to increase your maximum heartrate, you have to challenge your lungs w/ high intensity workouts. In order to become a better fighter, you have to compete against resisting and better opponents. I think he means tranqillness of mind and spirit, not necisarelly calm all the time or relaxed. You have a point though, where are you getting this information? Exactally, thank you. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:18 pm
Roninofthewest TaeKyon Bruce Lee52 I think it means being the best you can be, trying to improve your skill while still having a tranquil state.That doesn't make any sense. Stimulus, resistance, hardship, challenge are required for growth. Consider, in order to increase your strength, muscles have to resist against weights. In order for bones to harden, they have to be placed under stress for them to remodel (Wolff's law). In order to increase your maximum heartrate, you have to challenge your lungs w/ high intensity workouts. In order to become a better fighter, you have to compete against resisting and better opponents. I think he means tranqillness of mind and spirit, not necisarelly calm all the time or relaxed. You have a point though, where are you getting this information? This is my own way. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:23 am
Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:46 pm
Mangafairy Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination. You have to actually be a fighter then in order to "combine both" aspects of martial arts. Most TMAists fail at that...where as a lot of MMA/Sport MAists often get their start in art emphasizing TMAs before moving on.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:05 am
TaeKyon Mangafairy Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination. You have to actually be a fighter then in order to "combine both" aspects of martial arts. Most TMAists fail at that...where as a lot of MMA/Sport MAists often get their start in art emphasizing TMAs before moving on. TMA believe a lot on Ki/ Qui/ Chi (whatever you may call it) and the spritual side of things while also applying this into combat while Sport styles use more strength and tend not to focus at all on the spiritual side but more the fitness and strength aspect (which may be more practical for younger student, however older people lack strength).
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:58 pm
Mangafairy TaeKyon Mangafairy Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination. You have to actually be a fighter then in order to "combine both" aspects of martial arts. Most TMAists fail at that...where as a lot of MMA/Sport MAists often get their start in art emphasizing TMAs before moving on. TMA believe a lot on Ki/ Qui/ Chi (whatever you may call it) and the spritual side of things while also applying this into combat while Sport styles use more strength and tend not to focus at all on the spiritual side but more the fitness and strength aspect (which may be more practical for younger student, however older people lack strength). TMA's Taoist and Buddhist beliefs are not what is being called into question, (in fact, it's rarely called into question in these debates unless the TMA is so bullshido that they believe the riddiculous like throwing chi balls or whatnot) in most cases spiritualism isn't inherent in martial arts. You can be a taoist/buddhist and not be a martial artist. (or a sport fighter and not a tma-ist) You can also be a martial artist and not be a taoist/buddhist. The only reason they're even intermingled is because the culture and society in which most eastern martial arts draw their origins from is the same culture and society in which buddhist/taoist thought was prevalent in. It's not that martial artists incorporated taoism/buddhism but rather that buddhist/taoist incorporated martial arts. No, what I was referring to was the lack of realistic, alive, full contact sparring that TMAs don't utilize in their training. The reason TMAists often don't "combine" aspects of art from TMA and fighting aspects of competition and sparring is because they are so stubbornly self absorbed in the "ancestry" of their art that most schools/styles have lost sight of the training means to produce "good fighters." It could even be argued that many TMAs are purposely ignorant of modern training methods because they're so stubborn about preserving their dead art that they're scared to consider the possiblity that the majority of their art is outdated as a effective means of combat. (a conclusion that the MMA/sport school of martial arts was not afraid to face and evolve w/) You can be a sport fighter and still preserve the cultural/artistic traditions of a martial art (Muay Thai's pre fight rituals is a perfect example) but I'm not sure if a TMAs can ever produce contemporary fighters until TMAs are willing to adapt modern training methods such as full contact alive resistant training (but then at that point, would they still be considered "traditional"?)
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:43 pm
TaeKyon Mangafairy TaeKyon Mangafairy Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination. You have to actually be a fighter then in order to "combine both" aspects of martial arts. Most TMAists fail at that...where as a lot of MMA/Sport MAists often get their start in art emphasizing TMAs before moving on. TMA believe a lot on Ki/ Qui/ Chi (whatever you may call it) and the spritual side of things while also applying this into combat while Sport styles use more strength and tend not to focus at all on the spiritual side but more the fitness and strength aspect (which may be more practical for younger student, however older people lack strength). TMA's Taoist and Buddhist beliefs are not what is being called into question, (in fact, it's rarely called into question in these debates unless the TMA is so bullshido that they believe the riddiculous like throwing chi balls or whatnot) in most cases spiritualism isn't inherent in martial arts. You can be a taoist/buddhist and not be a martial artist. (or a sport fighter and not a tma-ist) You can also be a martial artist and not be a taoist/buddhist. The only reason they're even intermingled is because the culture and society in which most eastern martial arts draw their origins from is the same culture and society in which buddhist/taoist thought was prevalent in. It's not that martial artists incorporated taoism/buddhism but rather that buddhist/taoist incorporated martial arts. No, what I was referring to was the lack of realistic, alive, full contact sparring that TMAs don't utilize in their training. The reason TMAists often don't "combine" aspects of art from TMA and fighting aspects of competition and sparring is because they are so stubbornly self absorbed in the "ancestry" of their art that most schools/styles have lost sight of the training means to produce "good fighters." It could even be argued that many TMAs are purposely ignorant of modern training methods because they're so stubborn about preserving their dead art that they're scared to consider the possiblity that the majority of their art is outdated as a effective means of combat. (a conclusion that the MMA/sport school of martial arts was not afraid to face and evolve w/) You can be a sport fighter and still preserve the cultural/artistic traditions of a martial art (Muay Thai's pre fight rituals is a perfect example) but I'm not sure if a TMAs can ever produce contemporary fighters until TMAs are willing to adapt modern training methods such as full contact alive resistant training (but then at that point, would they still be considered "traditional"?) You just started me thinking about Chi balls now....that would be cool! Yea I can empathise with you, I agree with some of wha you say, however I also disagree....but this discussion is getting kinda old.... neutral
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:18 am
Mangafairy TaeKyon Mangafairy TaeKyon Mangafairy Shin2 What does it mean to be a true martial artist? To be balanced? Or to be a really good fighter? I have been questioning this for quite some time...Does the martial artist seek harmony and almost a mind state of tranquility? Or to be strong and dependent on his skill. Discuss what you think what it means to be a True Martial Artist. "(Art)... rescues us from our self chosen triviality, to which we are so prone. It is like a deep organ note that makes my hair stir and a shiver run through me. I 'pull back' from life, like a camera taking a long shot with a wide angle lens. I quite simply become aware of more reality than before." -Colin Wilson What about both, the perfect combination. You have to actually be a fighter then in order to "combine both" aspects of martial arts. Most TMAists fail at that...where as a lot of MMA/Sport MAists often get their start in art emphasizing TMAs before moving on. TMA believe a lot on Ki/ Qui/ Chi (whatever you may call it) and the spritual side of things while also applying this into combat while Sport styles use more strength and tend not to focus at all on the spiritual side but more the fitness and strength aspect (which may be more practical for younger student, however older people lack strength). TMA's Taoist and Buddhist beliefs are not what is being called into question, (in fact, it's rarely called into question in these debates unless the TMA is so bullshido that they believe the riddiculous like throwing chi balls or whatnot) in most cases spiritualism isn't inherent in martial arts. You can be a taoist/buddhist and not be a martial artist. (or a sport fighter and not a tma-ist) You can also be a martial artist and not be a taoist/buddhist. The only reason they're even intermingled is because the culture and society in which most eastern martial arts draw their origins from is the same culture and society in which buddhist/taoist thought was prevalent in. It's not that martial artists incorporated taoism/buddhism but rather that buddhist/taoist incorporated martial arts. No, what I was referring to was the lack of realistic, alive, full contact sparring that TMAs don't utilize in their training. The reason TMAists often don't "combine" aspects of art from TMA and fighting aspects of competition and sparring is because they are so stubbornly self absorbed in the "ancestry" of their art that most schools/styles have lost sight of the training means to produce "good fighters." It could even be argued that many TMAs are purposely ignorant of modern training methods because they're so stubborn about preserving their dead art that they're scared to consider the possiblity that the majority of their art is outdated as a effective means of combat. (a conclusion that the MMA/sport school of martial arts was not afraid to face and evolve w/) You can be a sport fighter and still preserve the cultural/artistic traditions of a martial art (Muay Thai's pre fight rituals is a perfect example) but I'm not sure if a TMAs can ever produce contemporary fighters until TMAs are willing to adapt modern training methods such as full contact alive resistant training (but then at that point, would they still be considered "traditional"?) You just started me thinking about Chi balls now....that would be cool! Yea I can empathise with you, I agree with some of wha you say, however I also disagree....but this discussion is getting kinda old.... neutral Do you always disagree/agree with someone yet never give a reason why?
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