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Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:31 am


Mercution
Please don't reply to my stuff anymore. All you seem to do is harass me.
sorry if you found it insulting, but thats what people ive met say. the uber jesus freaks anyway.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:09 pm


If you're a Christian you better be a Jesus Freak! However, people who say things against my religion can do so in a way that doesn't insult and have.

I do not practice any form of misanthropy, I believ everyone is equal. That statement does not contradict what I said about men being the head of the household however. As a head of the household, men should consult with the wife and kids and pray about things, if you are a Christian.
I know somethings I say can sound demeaning. I just mean in general, but, in general, women tend to be more emotionally weepy and men tend to be emotionally angry. Both of these tendencies make sense if you think about men and women.
The thing about being a man's support, well, you are his support as well, and once you are married, why should it be demeaning to complete depend on your spouse, male or female? Really think about what I saw before you find them demeaning. It is wonderful to have that kind of trust with someone else.

There are fundamental differences between men and women. You can think men are generally better at this than women without being anti-feminist. Of course there are women who do things as well as men, but in general there are things that men and women abtain to. Not that they can't do these things, just that they may be able to do them better. If you have trouble doing something and someone who can does it for you or something you don't like that your helper does like, it just makies sense to let that person do it, as long as you can do it yourself in case of an emergency.

God wants to give us choice and he does, make he did make very reliable systems to work with. I also don't know much about Satanists. But I didn't think that they worship Satan(did I put that? confused ) I knew that it was more toward themselves.

XXXDELETEDXXXGONEXXX


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:20 pm


you misunderstood me. i meant the people who think that they have a right to trample anything they dont agree with into the dirt and claim it's because the bible says so. im not saying it does, but these people give decent christians a bad name.

and on satanism, it really has nothing to do with any higher being. its all about treating yourself as one, and some of them will do anything to that end.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:30 pm


Mercution
If you're a Christian you better be a Jesus Freak! However, people who say things against my religion can do so in a way that doesn't insult and have.

I do not practice any form of misanthropy, I believ everyone is equal. That statement does not contradict what I said about men being the head of the household however. As a head of the household, men should consult with the wife and kids and pray about things, if you are a Christian.
I know somethings I say can sound demeaning. I just mean in general, but, in general, women tend to be more emotionally weepy and men tend to be emotionally angry. Both of these tendencies make sense if you think about men and women.
The thing about being a man's support, well, you are his support as well, and once you are married, why should it be demeaning to complete depend on your spouse, male or female? Really think about what I saw before you find them demeaning. It is wonderful to have that kind of trust with someone else.

There are fundamental differences between men and women. You can think men are generally better at this than women without being anti-feminist. Of course there are women who do things as well as men, but in general there are things that men and women abtain to. Not that they can't do these things, just that they may be able to do them better. If you have trouble doing something and someone who can does it for you or something you don't like that your helper does like, it just makies sense to let that person do it, as long as you can do it yourself in case of an emergency.

God wants to give us choice and he does, make he did make very reliable systems to work with. I also don't know much about Satanists. But I didn't think that they worship Satan(did I put that? confused ) I knew that it was more toward themselves.
I don't believe in defining the jobs of men and women. A couple should live as it fits them, not as someone tells them. Many men are sort-tempered because they believe that is how they are supposed to act. Similarly, many women are weepy because they believe that is how they are supposed to act. These emotional tendencies are imbedded deep in our subconsious by society, but they are not indomitable. I do not wish to be head of the household, nor do I wish to be the support.

SyphaBelnades


XXXDELETEDXXXGONEXXX

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:54 pm


What on Earth is wrong with being support?

But I do agree, roles shouldn't be prescribed. But that isn't what I'm saying. When it comes to that mantles of authority that God has set, Husbands are just below father. What that means is that, men are responsible for the family. Women of course our too, but men... more. (I wish I had a bigger vocabulary) I'm having trouble describing to you what it means.

Does anyone remeber what I said about Joyce Meyer? She is in a field normally prescibed for men, but she is a she. But it is how she submits to her husband by what she says about him. She also does not work independently of him, they help eachother. It's sorta like that.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:28 pm


Mercution
What on Earth is wrong with being support?

But I do agree, roles shouldn't be prescribed. But that isn't what I'm saying. When it comes to that mantles of authority that God has set, Husbands are just below father. What that means is that, men are responsible for the family. Women of course our too, but men... more. (I wish I had a bigger vocabulary) I'm having trouble describing to you what it means.

Does anyone remeber what I said about Joyce Meyer? She is in a field normally prescibed for men, but she is a she. But it is how she submits to her husband by what she says about him. She also does not work independently of him, they help eachother. It's sorta like that.

The problem I have with being support is the same as the problem I have with being the head: Its not who I am. What of a man who has a submissive personality? Is it wrong for him to submit to his wife, even if it works well for that couple and both are perfectly happy?

SyphaBelnades


XXXDELETEDXXXGONEXXX

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:03 pm


Fine, be what ever you want, just support your husband as what you want to be as a show of faithfulness to him. Those vows you take are inportant and they tell to stick with, so do so while being whatever the you want.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:32 pm


Supports? Hmmm... not the right word. But close I think. Trust is all what marriage is about. And the passion and the forgiveness. Marriage is great. I think everyone should read this post so that marriage isn't made of such a mockery.

NonMisanthropist


PoppyDadswell

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:40 am


i follow that and cover too with a white hanging veil i got off beachy amish friends heart if you look at corinthiains 1 you will see that men are assigned church responsiblities and the women are assigned home and family responsibilies but both are equal spirtually.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:54 pm


Mercution
Fine, be what ever you want, just support your husband as what you want to be as a show of faithfulness to him. Those vows you take are inportant and they tell to stick with, so do so while being whatever the you want.

Mainly, what is is saying is the guy is the face because of the toughness, but we all know who runs the show. A man is just someone that can defend, and a woman can think. In order to have time to think though stuff, a man must take charge to make sure nothing is falling apart when the woman is thinking. At least, this is what I think she means.

Of course, I do believe in exceptions. Nothing wrong with that. If the guy I marry is some genius without a backbone, I'll take the role on because it makes sense. You know, I need to find someone like that. They make money.

Back to business. You get what I am saying. Just ignore that last part. I thought some humor could do you guys some good.

ffdarkangel


The Goddess Aradia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:52 am


I'm not really sure what to think about a lot of what you just said. From the perspective as someone who is Christian (regardless of gender) I can see where you are coming from.. HOWEVER...


To go back to the one of your first posts about women who stay marry into an abusive relationship. Some women knowingly marry into that type of environment then bring children into the abuse. But there are quite a bit of women who marry a man under the pretense he isn't that way. Because the abuse starts after the marriage. This can go for men too. So to ask why she is marrying someone like that to begin with it a bit much. I realize that Christianity sees divorce as a sin. You say to send the man to jail to help him out. So you would rather a woman stay married to a man who is abusive and in jail for who knows how long than to be rid of him for the sake and well-being of herself and any possible children? Abusers don't just change because they went to jail. In fact, a lot of them try to teach women a lesson when they get out. I think God would forgive a women who tries to protect her home and her children by divorcing a man who mistreats them in such a horrible manner. Besides, it's not as easy as a lot of people think to send someone to jail for spousal abuse. I know this isn't necessarily the topic of this conversation but I HAD to comment because your post about this really rubbed me the wrong way. cry

Back to the topic at hand, the reason women are portrayed as being "emotionally weepy" and men "emotionally angered" is because that is role society says they have to be. Part of the way things are today is we (men and women) are fighting for equality in all ways. Who says a women has to be emotionally weepy? I am not one of those women. My mom isn't one of those women. My boyfriend of almost 4 years ins't emotionally angered. I think that is a pretty broad statement. There's nothing wrong with being a support for someone. We all never someone in our life to be a support role. But that role should be genderless. idea

Either way, if a religion teaches that there are gender roles, as long as both parties are safe and agree to it, it's your perogative! wink
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:52 am


1 Corinthians 7
Marriage
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

17Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.

39A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

PoppyDadswell


Alesha Eternal

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:19 pm


Foetus In Fetu
Mercution
I'm not going against chicks. I am a chick.

Being female doesn't stop you from being anti-feminist or misogystic. This isn't a personal attack on you: I don't know whether or not you are either, and I doubt that you are, but that needed pointing out.

The way you talk about this issue shows that you believe that women are important, but your beliefs differ from mine. I actually find the idea that I should submit to being 'support' for a man or that I am useless without a man or that I should be part of the same entity as a man to be demeaning, as much as I think suggesting that men must always be the head of the household or that men are always quick to anger or irrational is demeaning for men. I don't think that roles should be prescribed to sexes, I think that people should find their own roles in life and in a relationship, but I don't see any fundamental differences between the sexes other than the obvious physical differences. There is nothing that precludes any given woman from being just as or more adept than any given man at a particular task such as performing a particular job or running the household, nor is there anything that precludes any given man from being just as or more adept at nurturing children. It is society that prescribes these roles to us.

On the other hand, I am not of the same faith as you, and if people within the faith are happy to submit to these roles then I don't feel compelled to make them change. Ultimately, what you do is a personal choice and if you believe that this is what God wants and that it's right for you then nobody has any place to interfere.

By the way, Satanists don't actually worship Satan. It's a little more accurate to say they worship the self, but their actual beliefs are quite varied.


I agree with what you said on the topic at hand, Foetus In Fetu. My senitments exactly (for the most part, anyway). Thought I would like to point out that there is more than one type of Satanism. The one your refering to is LaVeyan. I am a Theistic Satanist, praticularly Luciferian. That means that I believe that satan (or should I say Lucifer) exists in a spiritual form. But, thats besides this topic...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:42 pm


PoppyDadswell
1 Corinthians 7
Marriage
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

17Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.

39A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.


Just curious, but what version of the bible is that from? It seems like its from either NRSV or NIV, either one I can't stand so I had to read the same passages from my NKJV (New King James Version).

Alesha Eternal


PoppyDadswell

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:50 am


Alesha Eternal
PoppyDadswell
1 Corinthians 7
Marriage
1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

17Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.

39A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.


Just curious, but what version of the bible is that from? It seems like its from either NRSV or NIV, either one I can't stand so I had to read the same passages from my NKJV (New King James Version).
i forget i was too lazy to type it from my old king james bible so i googled it and copied it in.
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