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 Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:03 pm
My friend Tony made some good points. Yes, this post was directed towards Christians. I will ignore the insult that according to "The Samurai," I apparently "don't know what I'm talking about." I don't debate for debate's sake. I d-e-t-e-s-t conflicts, but I simply cannot stand idley by while young, ignorant children are lead astray by people who want everyone to believe that Christians should be okay with religions.
Were I to say that I am okay with Wicca, according to my own beliefs, I would be saying that I am okay with people going to Hell. I respect people, not religions. Some people don't see this subtlety in my arguments.
I might not reply back on this, simply for the fact that I am hearing the same ignorant(concerning Christianity) complaints over and over again.
Oh and you used to be Catholic. That's just the same as the last Wiccan that I talked to. Trust me, most Catholics do not know who my Father is. But of course, I'm just inviting more flaming. The End.
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:12 pm
Well, seeing as how some may or may not be seeing this, I suppose this might be a good time to advertise for my blog. So here it goes:
READ MY BLOG
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:42 pm
oh geez
my gaian husband is wiccan >.<
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:11 pm
Isn't Wicca like that teaching that lke lets peopl use like potions and such to cure people ?
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:33 am
Icetiger56 Isn't Wicca like that teaching that lke lets peopl use like potions and such to cure people ?
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:43 am
And for those of you wondering why a Pagan would even bother to come speak amongst christians of your calliber . . . Here is your answer.
I come because I have a fairly simple, yet intriquite question. What is the need for all this senseless hate? Why, if I am happy in my religion, and at peace with myself and nature (as is the case with the rest of my fellow pagans) Then why are there so many christians dead set against me following my own belief structure?? That's all I want to know.
I'm not trying to convert anyone. Heavens No! Everyone is free to make their own choices and follow their own heart. I just want to know, why is it only acceptible to follow christianity? America is made up of many different cultures, we are not all english. I am Native America and Bohemian/Slavic. . . I don't understand why upon moving here I am forced to give up my belief structure in my own gods. I believe in a god just as you do, but my portrayal of him and the image of which I have in my heart are just different than yours.
And the more I've read of everyones articles here the more I'm finding that this is less and less about Christianity vs. Everyone as it is Conservative vs Liberal. What's wrong with having my own beliefs and wanting to celebrate out in the open as you are aloud to do?
again as my parting quote
"Why am I supposed to burn in your religions 'hell', if my religion doesn't have one?"
and
"Just because your religion says You can't do something, doesn't mean I am must abstain. When my religion encourages it!"
I do not want to argue for the sake of arguing, I just want to know why is there such need for all of this smuggness and sensless hate that solves nothing.
"Warriors for Christ, stand or fight?!?!" Well what the hell are you fighting for, why does there need to be war . . . what's wrong with harmony and peace among people . . . and Americans wonder why the rest of the world takes a harsh disliking to them.
I would just like a non-violent, calm, un-accusative answer. . . one that, hopefully, will enlighten me upon somethign that so far, no one has been able to fullfill. I just don't understand it . . .
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:35 am
we don't hate Wicca or any 1 were told to to love one another
[This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you John [15:12]
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:30 pm
kingmat3 we don't hate Wicca or any 1 were told to to love one another [This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you John [15:12]
-_-; I'm not here to rip on christianity, I'm here to try and figure out why Evangelists in the U.S. seems so dead set on purging anyone of a different religious preference out of America. My fiance and I are scared at this point to live in the U.S.
It's a proven fact that more people have died or been killed "in the name of God" than anything else in the world. And it's starting to scare me, why does everything have to be a war. . . I just, I guess I just don't understand, what happen to love thy neighbor and all those good morals you christians preach that always seem to be hypocritically cast aside whenever it suits in your favor.
. . . . I don't understand the unnecessary hatred. confused
or that every christian feels like it's their "Duty" to "Save my soul", I understand that in your religion, if you dont' accept Jesus Christ as your savior, then you "supposedely" go to hell. But . . . if it's not my religion, and My god tells me that there is no hell, then how am I supposed to burn in a place that according my god, doesn't exist. I'm not getting why one religion takes presidence over another? I also don't undersand the presumable arrogance . . .
I undersand that western religion is stuck on the mind set of "One Ultimate Religion" and that there is no other correct religion than Christianity. But . . . um . . . wasn't Jesus (your savior) Jewish? So how does that work?
There are just too many questions I never get straight forward answers too. But I guess it's the same reason why so many christians shun other religions, because they dont' know enough about them, and that is why I am not a christian . . . too many questions are left unanswered. And faith can only stretch so far before it becomes ignorance.
So if anyone can ACTUALLY answer my questions with logic and reason other than, "Because it says so in the bible", then maybe I'll listen and open up a little to regaining my catholic roots. I'm not saying for you to try to convert me, but I'd like to here a good rousing argument to attempt to pursuade me towards christianity, I really do.
Thank You in Advance,
~Nam
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:11 am
I'd be happy to answer your questions. I'll go ahead and apologize for not being more active in this thread. I'll go ahead and start with some of the points you've brought up.
It seems I better start with the hypocrisy of Christianity. The thing you have to remember is that we are all human , we all are vulnerable to sin/making mistakes. According the the bible, we are all born under this curse because of the sins of Adam and Eve. So, by assuming that all Christians should act exactly like Christ will only set you up for failure. That doesn't mean Christians shouldn't try to act like Christ because that is our goal, to follow His example. The thing is we are all in different stages of getting there, and many of us get stuck in the first couple of stages, and never really try to change their whole life for Christ. I call these people stagnant Christians, and some churches are full of these people. It can be just as hard to reach these people as non-Christians. I would assume these people would be the hypocrites that you see, although even Christians actively walking the path do stumble so its not exclusively the stagnant Christians that mess up like that.
As for religion and politics, I'm disappointed at what was allowed to go on in God's name. When God was guiding the Jews He told them when to go to war, and then it was in His name. But then Christ had to come due to the Jews stagnant/wickedness, in order to change the old ways of thinking and bring more people closer to God. He stressed that a relationship that God is more important than rituals/law, which is what was more important to the pharisees at the time. After that God hide Himself so that only the willing will come seek Him, and He would show Himself to them. This being the case, all of the wars that were in His name, were rarely actually inspired by God. A lot of it had to do with the fact that religion was integrated with the government at the time, and everything the government did had to be inline with the church, so because of that each war was justified by claiming it was for God in one way or another. In those cases it might have been a lot easier to do it that way because conquering a people to "convert" them sounds far more noble and right, then conquering them for resources and land(greed).
I hope this helps some, let me know if you need further clarification or if there is something else you would like me to explain.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:37 pm
See Ms. Naomi...YOU are starting the conflict. In all honesty, you aren't showing respect that you want entitled to what you believe.
We are human. We sin. Humans sin. So if you really believe you aren't having a high and mighty attitude, well you are. That's that same attitude you supposedly see in a few users on this board.
Frankly, Brad's argument seemed rather neutral. You started bursting claims and being aggressive, so if you believe we'll back down and whimper you're mistaken.
First: We don't think you're inferior. All this negative stuff is coming from you. I suggest you chill and listen.
Second: Try to understand our faith before you claim we don't know about yours. That seems only fair, hmmm?
Now for some replies.
Jesus Christ was Jewish, as were his followers. God chose the Jews as his chosen people, but they denied Christ and bore the sin of his death on their hands. In some way, we hold that sin as well because our ancestors betrayed His love. But God so loved us that He still seeks our hearts.Try looking into that a bit more in depth. The Jewish faith denies Christ was Lord and Savior- but that is today's Jewish faith. Those who were Jewish then became followers of Christ.
I think we should put this argument down a notch and have RESPECT. So please have respect and we'll answer things as best we can. Though there may be divisions, I'm sure we can explain Christ's love to you rather as a united group.
I think hatred and anger stems from such heated debates:
"YOU HATE ME!"
"NO, YOU HATE US!"
No one hates you. A lot of people use that against Christian faith. A Christian extends his or her hand to help save, but many people seem to get defensive and say that we force the love. We extend a hand- and many people make of it as they will because they don't understand, and they feel as if they don't want to be helped, or feel pressured.
If you feel curious and feel a need to even WANT to become a Christian, then take it as a hint from Christ. Open the door of your heart. Go to a Church and see. Sometimes the best answer can come from Him, not from us. A Priest can help you more than a few simple passages on a website. That shouldn't be enough to simply make you say: "Hmm..okay, I'll be Catholic again." This is very important.
And I see no reason why you hould be afraid of getting killed. That seems quite...funny. And it's nonsense. I don't know if you look into cults or something, but the Bible is against killing. 'Faith killing' belongs more to a the belief in 'allah'. That is not our God. The first basic teaching in grade school was 'God is love'.
Whatever you may say, witch craft is evil. Looking to the stars, or reading palms or whatever is rubbish. So why does the Bible ban it? For our own good. There is no 'good' or 'bad' spiritual witch craft and spells. It's all evil. You can't justify it by saying : "Oh, you were playing with the KIDDIE version".
God teaches us to love. It's only human sin that gets in the way. And it's very strange that you spout that we don't understand you and we don't understand your faith, when you cleary haven't looked into ours. I want to be polite and helpful, but you really aren't giving me much room to work with. confused
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:00 pm
Another interesting passage for 'following the earth' as you stated realtes to 'The Foolishness of Nature Worship":
"Anyone who does not know God is foolish. Such people look at the good things around them and still fail to see the living God. They have studied the things hHe made, but they have not recognized the one who made them. Instead, they suppose that the gods who rule the world are fire or wind or storm circling stars or rushing water or the heavenly bodies. People were so delighted with the beauty of these things that they thought they must be gods, but they should have realized that these things have a master and that He is much greater than all of them, for He is the creator of beauty and He created them. Since people are amazed at the power of these things, and how they behave, they ought to learn from them that their maker is far more powerful. When we realize how vast and beautiful the creation is, we are learning about the Creator at the same time. But maybe we are too harsh with these people. After all, they may have really wanted to find god, but couldn't. Surrounded by God's works, they keep on looking at hem, until they are finally convinces that because they things they see are so beautiful, they must be gods. But still, these people really have no excuse. If they had enough intelligence to speculate about the nature of the universe, why did they never find the Lord of all things?"
(Wisdom, 13. 1-9)
The Bible states that we may be too harsh on those who haven't found the way. In no way does it say: HATE THEM. Those who worship spirits, and trees, and nature are for themselves responsible for not seeing truth and wisdom.
We want to help. Not hate. There's a difference in trying to inform you, and in saying we hate you. In all the wisdom of 'nature' and 'herbs' it doesn't seem to fill one's heart with anything. Maybe hatred or anger, because you seem to be quite loaded with it against us. The only reason you've recieved negative replies is because you initiated it. I understand turning the other cheek, but when you start really getting aggressive I'm not going to stand for that. Have respect.
As you can probably tell, the users wanted to inform you. It's your choice in behaving like this.
And you taking a post and ripping it apart doesn't really tell me you want to be changed, or understand this faith. It seems more like you want to bash, rip, and spout we hate you, when you are saying that...not us.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:10 pm
I think wicca and christianity should have no combining relationship
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:33 pm
Ah, I'm glad to see my little post went somewhere. There's something that I'd like to add, whether it be too late for those select persons to read it.
Why do Chrisitans evangelize? Why do we spread God's word? Why don't we accept other religions/philosophies?
If your freind's house was on fire, would you walk by to leave him to deal with it himself? Would you lightly tap on the door? Or would you bang on that wood with all your might, yelling to alarm him?
Were I to say that I accept other's religions, I am saying that by what I believe as a follower of Christ, I'm okay with the fact that many are going to Hell. And that's simply not okay with me.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:57 pm
such a noteworthy topic. I have millions to say on this but I will not try to get into it all tonight. I am tired. I used to date an atheist. most of my friends for all of my life have been other religions and faiths. I once came to a point where I believed that there should be no fighting. no trying to convince others of what is right or wrong. But I grew out of that spot. There is a war going on, Christians have not started it, we are only caught in it. If we do not fight we will fall onto the losing side. There is a war between God and evil. We are called to praise God, our praise and our testimnoy, that is how we are to fight. not with fists or guns. We are warriors because there is a terrible battle brewing for the souls of every man and woman. Love is essential for God is of love. At the end of the day every woman has her own choice. In the end of days we will all see God's glory and praise Him without choice. If I can show to my friend God's goodness and help her life to benefit from God's love and guidance than I have made reaon for the angels to rejoice. and that is all we need to do. rejoice for God love's us and waits for us. Quote: I undersand that western religion is stuck on the mind set of "One Ultimate Religion" and that there is no other correct religion than Christianity. But . . . um . . . wasn't Jesus (your savior) Jewish? So how does that work? The roots of christianity are judaism. In my house we still follow many Jewish traditions along with our catholic traditions and we incoorporate modern day traditions (black friday,independence day,snow days). Jc had to be Jewish, otherwise He would not have been the messiah xd but the Jewish faith after JC picks up and becomes Christianty for those who accept Him. Those who do not still await Emmanuel... Besides it is not a title or a membership to some church that deems you a born again child of God. It is accepting the precious gift of salvation.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:15 pm
I'd just like to point out that while Wiica and other non-christian religions accept the use of magic, it is not required in order to follow these religions.
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