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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:43 pm
Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:46 pm
Even if we ARE at the "top of the food chain" as you put it, that doesn't mean we HAVE to eat animals. We have the ability to comprehend things and make decisions about our diet that other animals can't make. We can choose to eat meat or not eat meat by the decisions we make on our own.
No one is saying we have to treat animals like people either, just that we should treat them with respect, which I have to admit is not such a bad idea.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:46 pm
Ascott Sanzoskitsune Because they choose to not eat meat, they each have their own personal reasons. Some just don't like the taste of meat, some do it for moral reasons, and some do it for health reasons. It depends on the person. Why is refusing to eat meat altogether seen as healthy? What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? try being trapped in a meat locker for half an hour without anyone knowing where you were. that'd do it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:48 pm
Ascott Indigo Project Ascott What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? You can find answers here. I can find badly animated propaganda I've had shoved down my throat before, but very little in the way of answers. Where does this assumption that we have to treat animals like people come from? Dude, does the fact that these practices spread mad cow disease and ecoli to humans bother you at all?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:48 pm
Celestial Burden Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:49 pm
Sanzoskitsune Even if we ARE at the "top of the food chain" as you put it, that doesn't mean we HAVE to eat animals. We have the ability to comprehend things and make decisions about our diet that other animals can't make. We can choose to eat meat or not eat meat by the decisions we make on our own. No one is saying we have to treat animals like people either, just that we should treat them with respect, which I have to admit is not such a bad idea. I don't think we have to. I just don't think there's any logical reason why we wouldn't.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:50 pm
~lizzerde~ Ascott Sanzoskitsune Because they choose to not eat meat, they each have their own personal reasons. Some just don't like the taste of meat, some do it for moral reasons, and some do it for health reasons. It depends on the person. Why is refusing to eat meat altogether seen as healthy? What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? try being trapped in a meat locker for half an hour without anyone knowing where you were. that'd do it. I'm not a cow.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:50 pm
I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:51 pm
Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place it on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:51 pm
Indigo Project Ascott Indigo Project Ascott What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? You can find answers here. I can find badly animated propaganda I've had shoved down my throat before, but very little in the way of answers. Where does this assumption that we have to treat animals like people come from? Dude, does the fact that these practices spread mad cow disease and ecoli to humans bother you at all? Not really, no. I'm not convinced by any evidence I can find on a website like that. I also don't have or know anyone with either of them.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:51 pm
Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can. Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:53 pm
Slim95 Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Jaft Eh? Can you elaborate? The whole being a vegan thing or what? That's just the outer limit. I do not get the refusal to eat animals. At all. Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place your mind on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See? All I can see is a very boring menu for the rest of my life ¬_¬ No, I really can't see why someone would want to go against nature quite so peversely. There's probably a better way for me to put that, but I can't think of one.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:53 pm
Ascott Sanzoskitsune Even if we ARE at the "top of the food chain" as you put it, that doesn't mean we HAVE to eat animals. We have the ability to comprehend things and make decisions about our diet that other animals can't make. We can choose to eat meat or not eat meat by the decisions we make on our own. No one is saying we have to treat animals like people either, just that we should treat them with respect, which I have to admit is not such a bad idea. I don't think we have to. I just don't think there's any logical reason why we wouldn't. For you perhaps there is no logical reason but for vegetarians there obviously is. I have stated the reasons before, they actually are pretty logical and make sense. Does that mean you or I have to agree? No we don't, we can go on living lives that make sense to us but that doesn't mean we should bash them for making their own choices.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:53 pm
Ascott Indigo Project Ascott Indigo Project Ascott What possible moral justification could you have for not eating meat? You can find answers here. I can find badly animated propaganda I've had shoved down my throat before, but very little in the way of answers. Where does this assumption that we have to treat animals like people come from? Dude, does the fact that these practices spread mad cow disease and ecoli to humans bother you at all? Not really, no. I'm not convinced by any evidence I can find on a website like that. I also don't have or know anyone with either of them. You're a fool. This is futile. Just because it has never happened to you or anyone you know doesn't make it any less true.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:54 pm
Sanzoskitsune Ascott Celestial Burden Ascott Celestial Burden Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can. Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals.
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