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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:24 am
Desert_Demon Poppycock! Enemies make life interesting! And what's this about me rolling my eyes at taking voer the world!? That's my life's dream! If I had the resources I would lead a grand crusade to crush the enemies of a Unified Mankind Alliance! And from the blasted wastelands of the poor men and women who refused to ally themselves with my cause I would rebuild and make beautiful oasese to house the familes of those who died for and against my cause! For honouring all lives lost is a pure deed, for even heretics are human, and all humans should be treated as equal! Anyway. So... about that Harry Potter fella? Wouldn't it be awesome if Quidditch were real? I'd play it all the time, flying on brooms and catching gold balls... brilliant. the Demon I agree! With what, taking over the world or Quidditch?...Both! eek Quidditch was one of the more creative ideas in the book, though it reminds me of soccer a bit. I think it would be a fun game to actually play; if people were able to fly on broomsticks anyway. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:29 pm
Kiyome the Dragon Desert_Demon Poppycock! Enemies make life interesting! And what's this about me rolling my eyes at taking voer the world!? That's my life's dream! If I had the resources I would lead a grand crusade to crush the enemies of a Unified Mankind Alliance! And from the blasted wastelands of the poor men and women who refused to ally themselves with my cause I would rebuild and make beautiful oasese to house the familes of those who died for and against my cause! For honouring all lives lost is a pure deed, for even heretics are human, and all humans should be treated as equal! Anyway. So... about that Harry Potter fella? Wouldn't it be awesome if Quidditch were real? I'd play it all the time, flying on brooms and catching gold balls... brilliant. the Demon I agree! With what, taking over the world or Quidditch?...Both! eek Quidditch was one of the more creative ideas in the book, though it reminds me of soccer a bit. I think it would be a fun game to actually play; if people were able to fly on broomsticks anyway. sweatdrop Hmm, both of them are game for taking over the world! eek Well that's that then, 2/3rds majority. So, we'll have a three way dictatorship.... And we'll make Quidditch the world's most popular sport! Soccer, Football, La Crosse, move over for the game that features broomsticks and flying balls! -LD
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:35 am
TOTALLY!!! If you call yourself a dedicated reader, read the books!!! Book 4 is the best, but the movie people killed it.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:04 am
Lhia_Dunwaith TOTALLY!!! If you call yourself a dedicated reader, read the books!!! Book 4 is the best, but the movie people killed it. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Number 4 was indeed a great book, but I think it was the most fun out of all of them. Book 6 I think was the best, simply because it kept you turning pages and JK was trying to show the reader so much but the book eventually stopped and... no spoilers today. I'm looking forward to the 7th so much, we already know Harry can't possibly find all the cruxes, heck dumbledoor only managed to find one. So excited! the Demon
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:38 pm
Okay, I've got to add my two cents in here. First of all: Desert_Demon I heard a rumour that the series is going to end with the 7th book. Apparently Rowling is getting tired of her fame and wants it to be over. It's not a rumor and it's not that Rowling is getting tired of her fame. The series was intended to be seven books, one for each of Harry's years at Hogwarts. Actually, over the past two or three years, Rowling as said that she's not sure she's going to be able to give the characters up after book seven, as they have become such a part of her. Now, as to whether or not the Harry Potter series is good depends on how you look at it. No, the books are not written for adults. They're not as difficult a read as, say, Tolkien or Melanie Rawn. But were they meant to be? Of course not. These books were written for elementry school children. And guess what, elementry school children read them. They're interested. Children who would never pick up a book otherwise have been driven to read these books, and, because of them, have gone on to become readers. The fact that seven and eight year olds are picking up and finishing 600+ page books is phenomenal achievement. I completely agree that the characters are two dimensional and the plots are predictable, but you know what? The characters are written in such a way that those same elementry school children can relate to them. The plots are not so complex that a second grader won't be able to understand what happened when he gets to the end. I won't say that Rowling can't write for adults, maybe she isn't capable of writing anything more complex, but it works for her target audience. The real question to this thread was whether or not chibminshiy should bother with the rest of the series. If you thought the first book was slow, then maybe you shouldn't bother. I thought Chamber of Secrets was incredibly boring, until I read Order of the Phoenix. There were a good 100 pages which were more or less necessary to the plot but slowed the book down until I wanted to put it down (and, for the record, I read the book over the course of two days). I read the Harry Potter series because they're good books -- no, not challenging, but good -- and they're a nice break from some of the other authors I read. After reading, say, Atlas Shrugged, it's nice to be able to pick up a book that isn't challenging. They aren't for everyone, though. Oh, and Goblet of Fire and Half-Blood Prince weren't bad, but Prisoner of Azkaban is the best! Sirius and Remus are her best characters! wink
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:32 pm
I loved the 5th book I read it all night and day almost I got soo deep into the story it drove me nutz whenI had to put it down
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:28 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
Well, I started reading the books when I was in the third grade, so things like that meant less to me - and I don't drop a series - I personally like the later books better (although I do have an impartial liking of Chamber of Secrets - as it has some details about Voldemort's past)... I think that they are fairly good books, but more for a... 7-14 age range (although my grandmother and father like the books too).
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:02 pm
W00t for Harry Potter series! I love J.K's books so much. I can't until the 7th one comes out on 7/7/07. For me its hard to stop reading once begun. I hear the book whispering to me*twitch* to read more. I've read them all more than once. Plus Snape may not be evil(o rly?) I still hate his guts.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:13 pm
Throughout my years I've heard of this Harry Potter book series and then finally when about the second one came out I decided to check into it, for my family member is quite a fanatic.
I was NOT impressed, while I can see how people would be able to enjoy it at some extent. I also do not see how it could get the attention that it did and personally, I think it's quite ridiculous. There are so many other books out there to gawk at and I find it insult that they would even mark it as evil. You'd think if they were going to call something evil then it would be at least something a bit better written. Anyway, as I read through the first one I found that like a lot of you said it was very predictable. I was didn't enjoy voldemort in any of the books, he seemed to place all of his trust in a single minion in each book. Well, acually right now I cannot recall the minion in the second book. To get back to the point, out of all of the books I enjoyed the third one the best. Mainly because it had more of the regular year then any of the other books and it had a whole season of Quidditch. Which is basically the most creative thing they have in it.
As I read the others I found them to be boring, even incredibly dull at times. The fourth was much better then the fifth which mainly because of the Triwizard, which in my opinion was a rip off. How in the world could a wizard in training outrun a DRAGON only on a broom. No matter how recent edition it was. The average dragon breath radius could have fried Harry at any moment. Well, I suppose that's all I have to say.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:28 am
I probably won't be as verbose as some people have been. I've like the series so far. Yeah it moves slow some times, it's not a deep book with many layers of hidden meaning (truthfully I don't really like that kind of book), some of the characters arre paper people instead of being true-to-life and sometimes the plot is predicable. But I like it anyway. I know it'll end with the seventh book (from what I got told when the third one came out, Rowling always planned it that way. Seven books, seven years of Hogwarts, see?)
I was about 1/3rd of the way through the sixth one when I kept trying to tell my ssiter everything that was happening (thus spoiling the book for her). Instead we decsided to read it together out loud. That was the most fun I've had in ages and we plan on doing again with the seventh book. I personally think it's a fun series to read with someone and it's a good way to get younger kids (junior high) into reading.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:17 am
I've just found out that the seventh book, Harry Potter and the Dark Hallows will be coming out July 21. I don't know if it's been posted yet, I haven't seen anything.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:18 pm
I think that, as with so many other things, you have to take Harry Potter for what it is.
Harry, Ron, Hermione and all the characters are, indeed, archetypes. Because they fit into thier standard fantasy roles (young hero propelled by reckless bravery and luck, stalwart sidekick, brilliant scholar, relentlessly evil villian, wise mentor and so on) they do, indeed, end up two dimensional.
But still one has to ask... if they were bad books why would they be so popular? The reason is that they are enjoyable. For kids they are readable, interesting and accesible enough that they can see something of themselves in Harry and his friends. For adults there is just enough complexity and humor that we can *relax* and enjoy the romp. And that's important. If we had to slog through The Wasteland for our enjoyment 98% of people on earth would never read. Sometimes we all just have to turn our brains off and enjoy the ride.
And Rowling, at least in the first four books, makes the ride interesting. Even though the characters are achetypical, Rowling is passionate about them. She adds vibrance to them, even if they lack depth. While they still act exactly as we expect them to, at least they do so with personality. It is the mark of an author who cares but doesn't have the training (or experience) to make her stories as tightly crafted as someone like Lloyd Alexander, Robin McKinley or Phillip Pullman. I would argue that the last few books feel strained - as if they were written too fast, which is why the fifth book is a darn long slog.
Beyond passion, I would also add that Rowling reads like someone willing to put the time into her imagination. Again, it isn't as "tight" as someone trained in literature, and most of her references are obvious... but at least she makes them. Adults find names like "Lupin" and "Dumbledore" fairly obvious, but it's still fun to figure them out in the same way that sitting down and finishing your newspaper crossword is a good passtime. Kids, on the other hand, can find great pride in looking up the name, finding that the author has left secret "nuggets" in the ooks for them.
are they the best books I have ever read? no. certainly not. But they are, at least for most tastes, fun. Moreso, because Rowling is untrained the books reflect her (and our) culture shamlessly in the writing - she cannot edit out her own voice, and so we see ourselves in it through her. In twenty years Harry Potter will likely seem dated, but for now appreciate it for what it is.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:09 am
i liked the latest one, the half blood prince 3nodding very interesting stuff about voldemort eek
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:48 pm
Desert_Demon Lhia_Dunwaith TOTALLY!!! If you call yourself a dedicated reader, read the books!!! Book 4 is the best, but the movie people killed it. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Number 4 was indeed a great book, but I think it was the most fun out of all of them. Book 6 I think was the best, simply because it kept you turning pages and JK was trying to show the reader so much but the book eventually stopped and... no spoilers today. I'm looking forward to the 7th so much, we already know Harry can't possibly find all the cruxes, heck dumbledoor only managed to find one. So excited! the Demon Technically Dumbledor found two Horcruxes, or thought he did. He found the location of where the second Horcrux should have been, but somebody got there first. Nagini is quite possibly a horcrux, being quite a bit larger than normal, being the size of a boa, and still being poisonous, and seeming to be more intelligent than most snakes. Plus there was the ring(the first horcrux) and he probably had found a way to find another one.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:30 pm
RyuAijin Okay, I've got to add my two cents in here. First of all: Desert_Demon I heard a rumour that the series is going to end with the 7th book. Apparently Rowling is getting tired of her fame and wants it to be over. It's not a rumor and it's not that Rowling is getting tired of her fame. The series was intended to be seven books, one for each of Harry's years at Hogwarts. Actually, over the past two or three years, Rowling as said that she's not sure she's going to be able to give the characters up after book seven, as they have become such a part of her. Now, as to whether or not the Harry Potter series is good depends on how you look at it. No, the books are not written for adults. They're not as difficult a read as, say, Tolkien or Melanie Rawn. But were they meant to be? Of course not. These books were written for elementry school children. And guess what, elementry school children read them. They're interested. Children who would never pick up a book otherwise have been driven to read these books, and, because of them, have gone on to become readers. The fact that seven and eight year olds are picking up and finishing 600+ page books is phenomenal achievement. I completely agree that the characters are two dimensional and the plots are predictable, but you know what? The characters are written in such a way that those same elementry school children can relate to them. The plots are not so complex that a second grader won't be able to understand what happened when he gets to the end. I won't say that Rowling can't write for adults, maybe she isn't capable of writing anything more complex, but it works for her target audience. The real question to this thread was whether or not chibminshiy should bother with the rest of the series. If you thought the first book was slow, then maybe you shouldn't bother. I thought Chamber of Secrets was incredibly boring, until I read Order of the Phoenix. There were a good 100 pages which were more or less necessary to the plot but slowed the book down until I wanted to put it down (and, for the record, I read the book over the course of two days). I read the Harry Potter series because they're good books -- no, not challenging, but good -- and they're a nice break from some of the other authors I read. After reading, say, Atlas Shrugged, it's nice to be able to pick up a book that isn't challenging. They aren't for everyone, though. Oh, and Goblet of Fire and Half-Blood Prince weren't bad, but Prisoner of Azkaban is the best! Sirius and Remus are her best characters! wink Yes. 3nodding
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