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Is Zoophilia wrong?
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  I wouldn't do it, but if other people want to then I guess its okay.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:46 am


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I consider it a mental illness that causes severe anthromorphism (seeing human characteristics in animals). This leads people to treat them as humans, and develop attractions for them as they would a human. So, in short, I think it is a result of a person with a ******** up brain. It's no coincidence that the majority of zoophiles grow up around animals (therefore seeing animals as family members) or are sidelined from the majority of human society (finding the company of animals a refuge).
I grew up around animals and it never happened to me lol. I thought of them as people, as part of the family. I felt I could talk to them more then anyone else. I believe that the animals already share those traits with us. Humans see them as a lower life form, but I see them as an equal. Even though I really don't think I would have sex with one. O_O I feel they are people because they feel and think. They can feel pain and probley even see things we can't. What ever the case, I believe that nature has an answer for it. What you call a mental illness could in fact be natures way of creating a new species. Life isn't set in just one way, if it was we wouldn't have all the species we have now.


In the same way that some abused children become serial killers but not all, not all children who grow up around animals become zoophiles. 90% of zoophilic activity occurs among people who grew up on farms. It's hardly a coincidence.

I don't see them as a lower life form. All life is equal. But I don't see them as humans, possessing human characteristics, because they don't. You ascribe them human traits inadvertantly. You see them as human because you see human traits in them (even though many humans will debate the reality of these, and I am one of these humans). All animals see things differently due to different visual organs.

Nature's way of creating a new species? Most zoophiles ******** domesticated animals incapable of breeding with humans. It is impossible to create a new species. In fact, one of the definitions of a species is its ability to mate. Species are "groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations which are reproductively isolated from other such groups". Meaning NO breeding between such genetically seperated animals could POSSIBLY happen. Making it not a law of nature, but a destruction of rational mind.

If it was natural, all humans would feel this attraction. I find it startling that you're glorifying animal abuse, mental illness and sexual deviancy out of your own anthromorphism. I have heard of people who are against promiscuous sex among humans, but see no problem with ******** animals. WHAT.
I am well aware of the gentics involved, but there is one thing we all have in common, even to the very trees. We all came from the earth, so there for we share SOME gentic traits all in one. Perhaps it is the basics of such thing to naturally breed with the same or simular species...however...I do not believe life has one set way of breeding to make just one simple life form.

If one was to have intercourse with an animal, yes I do believe that you are correct that they would not have an offspring. But over time if it continued the bodies would adapt to this strange phenomenon(sp) and then eventually they would merge with it making what many call furries. The purpose of science is to learn, not prove people wrong. One could be right as you are correct one could not have intercourse with an animal then reproduce an offspring. But I however am suggesting what IF this was to continue and while the animal or human has remains of the animal/human within their bodies and they produced children and the same thing happened then it would then continue to each generation. I believe there is an outcome to the natural workings of the mind and the body its self. I am not suggesting it would happen today but who is to say within the next millions of years that it won't? There is a very strong possiblity that it will, but then it may not. If it wasn't natural the body wouldn't do it or even have the urge to do so. If it wasn't supposed to happen then it wouldn't happen at all. That is my opinion.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:59 pm


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I am well aware of the gentics involved, but there is one thing we all have in common, even to the very trees. We all came from the earth, so there for we share SOME gentic traits all in one. Perhaps it is the basics of such thing to naturally breed with the same or simular species...however...I do not believe life has one set way of breeding to make just one simple life form.

If one was to have intercourse with an animal, yes I do believe that you are correct that they would not have an offspring. But over time if it continued the bodies would adapt to this strange phenomenon(sp) and then eventually they would merge with it making what many call furries. The purpose of science is to learn, not prove people wrong. One could be right as you are correct one could not have intercourse with an animal then reproduce an offspring. But I however am suggesting what IF this was to continue and while the animal or human has remains of the animal/human within their bodies and they produced children and the same thing happened then it would then continue to each generation. I believe there is an outcome to the natural workings of the mind and the body its self. I am not suggesting it would happen today but who is to say within the next millions of years that it won't? There is a very strong possiblity that it will, but then it may not. If it wasn't natural the body wouldn't do it or even have the urge to do so. If it wasn't supposed to happen then it wouldn't happen at all. That is my opinion.


We have a 75% DNA difference to a nematode worm. Does that mean we could mate with it? NO. We are only 25% different from a ******** fern. Just because we have similarities does not mean we are capable of mating. No does it mean it is natural to attempt to! If it WAS natural, EVERYONE would do it. All animals. All species. But they don't. I don't see snails trying to ******** cockroaches. Because they are far too different.

No, they wouldn't. You are confusing the process of natural selection entirely. If a woman slept with a horse, she wouldn't give birth to a child more capable of breeding with a horse. We are too damn seperated genetically to be able to mate. This is a FACT. You cannot, through the process of mating, create anthromorphic hybrids. Through DNA splicing and cloning? Different story.

The more you leave furries out of this conversation, the better. The fact you brought them up doesn't exactly do much for you either.

Yes, the purpose of science is to learn. But when the genetic difference between animals is so great, and some furry comes along and wants to give birth to piglets, you just gotta let them know it ain't gonna happen because there is biological evidence that it is impossible.

If this was continue, it would make no difference. The fact that one human wishes to breed with an animal is a mental trait and is not passed on in genetics. The child would have no desire for "animal love" as it arises out of social situations, not biology. Plus, it is impossible for data from human genetics to be passed on to an animal in a kind of mixer if human data remains within the animal during conception. It is not compatible and will not make anything.

Remember: mental disorders are almost always a socially caused disorder. Not biological.

I'm done with this conversation. The fact you think zoophilia is natural is making me feel sick. If you knew anything about sexual fetishism, it's almost ALWAYS the result of a social environment conditioning the individual. You are talking about the BODY having the urge? I have a stocking and heeled shoe fetish. It's my body that wants that? NO. My mind does.

The purpose of science is not to learn, but to search for fact. You are trying to go against physically proven fact with some half baked furry ideas of human sluttery with animals? Well do it by yourself.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:33 pm


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Yeah but the thing about it is though, the animals are enjoying it. If they didn't enjoy it then they wouldn't allow the humans to do it to them.


Right, so if it happens, they must like it. Cows like being killed too, huh? I mean, they don't fight back against humans. So they must like it.

Please. You don't know WHAT an animal enjoys. They do it because their biological senses are being deceived. If someone deceived a child in that way, people would call for their deaths. The people who engage in zoosexuality either see themselves as animals, animals as humans, or animals as lower than humans so they have the right to control them. All of these views are lewd and not what society needs.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:10 pm


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Yeah but the thing about it is though, the animals are enjoying it. If they didn't enjoy it then they wouldn't allow the humans to do it to them.


Right, so if it happens, they must like it. Cows like being killed too, huh? I mean, they don't fight back against humans. So they must like it.

Please. You don't know WHAT an animal enjoys. They do it because their biological senses are being deceived. If someone deceived a child in that way, people would call for their deaths. The people who engage in zoosexuality either see themselves as animals, animals as humans, or animals as lower than humans so they have the right to control them. All of these views are lewd and not what society needs.
Life is life and no matter what one does can change the history of anything. We cannot control the minds of others to say that it is wrong because to them it is right.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:20 pm


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Life is life and no matter what one does can change the history of anything. We cannot control the minds of others to say that it is wrong because to them it is right.


I'm aware everything is relative and depends on perspective. But from my perspective, it's wrong. Same with most other people. If people want to do what I see as wrong, they can do it in a society other than mine.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:26 pm


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Life is life and no matter what one does can change the history of anything. We cannot control the minds of others to say that it is wrong because to them it is right.


I'm aware everything is relative and depends on perspective. But from my perspective, it's wrong. Same with most other people. If people want to do what I see as wrong, they can do it in a society other than mine.
Really don't think thats gonna happen because of people are going to do it anywhere and when they want and there is nothing you can do about it. o.O

I realize it violates the law but they don't care. Its like people who incest. (completly off topic but same situation really since it involves the same majority of people.)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:56 am


Absolutely it's wrong.

An Animal cannot give informed Consent.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:06 pm


When I say, "Mmmm, look at that big hunk of meat!" as I'm looking at a cow, I intend to eat it, not have sex with it.

I do not see why anyone would be attracted to animals other than for the same reason rapists choose weaker victims: because they want the power and control. Any sexual contact with an animal performed by a human is nothing less than animal abuse. Animals cannot give verbal consent and cannot verbally defend themselves if they were forced into it.

It cannot possibly considered natural mating, either, since any mixing of species results in sterile animals or animals that will die within a few hours of birth. Animals do have feelings but people make the mistake of adhering human traits to them. They may feel depression, agitation, etc, but they cannot feel "lust" as humans do, nor do they feel the same kind of "love" humans do. Most animals (besides humans, chimps, and possibly dolphins) do not have sex unless they intend to produce offspring.

Now, the term "animal lovers" sticks to those who love animals with all of their hearts that do not have sexual contact with them--and that is fine with me. I'm an animal lover. I adore (most) animals and I like to bring stray kittens home to my mother.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:41 pm


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If one was to have intercourse with an animal, yes I do believe that you are correct that they would not have an offspring.


That's true. If they were to have an offspring, then it would be born dead, die shortly after birth, or be permanently sterile.

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But over time if it continued the bodies would adapt to this strange phenomenon(sp) and then eventually they would merge with it making what many call furries.


Um, no. First off, offspring from two different species would either die or live sterile. There are no in-betweens. There would be no possible way for a mixed species to pass on its genes by naturally mating. Secondly, furries are creatures that are FANTASY, and always will remain FANTASY unless brought about by unnatural means. Even then, mixing DNA won't be easy and probably won't work. Certain genes in both plants and animals perform the same functions can be put into a different species to replace malfunctioning systems (such as "growing" insulin), but entire genetic codes are hard to decipher and then you have to think about how you're going to attach them and blah blah blah...

Long story short, no, furries are not possible to make by natural means.


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The purpose of science is to learn, not prove people wrong.


When you learn something new, you often prove old beliefs to be wrong.

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One could be right as you are correct one could not have intercourse with an animal then reproduce an offspring. But I however am suggesting what IF this was to continue and while the animal or human has remains of the animal/human within their bodies and they produced children and the same thing happened then it would then continue to each generation.I believe there is an outcome to the natural workings of the mind and the body its self. I am not suggesting it would happen today but who is to say within the next millions of years that it won't? There is a very strong possiblity that it will, but then it may not.


Natural workings of the mind and body... what the heck are you talking about? Interspecies mating is not natural, hence that it is why it doesn't happen that often, and when it does, the outcomes are usually death.

Do you know anything about evolution or the passing of genes through heredity? It sounds like you're taking all of your ideas from sci-fi, not science itself. Two separate species genes cannot be put together to be diluted down like different races in humans can, nor is it anything like breeding two different kinds of dogs.

It is not EVEN a possibility for this to occur naturally. It goes against the very laws of nature. These laws are why MOST humans stick to mating with their own kind instead of venturing in the animal kingdom to pick up Simba for a hot date.

Paraphilias are used in the context that a person cannot be sexually aroused without performing the act. They are, in almost every case, considered WRONG, both in the moral and the biological sense. A person should not have to fantasize about animals to become aroused. You don't see animals fantasizing about humans to get aroused (probably because they don't fantasize, anyway).


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If it wasn't natural the body wouldn't do it or even have the urge to do so. If it wasn't supposed to happen then it wouldn't happen at all. That is my opinion.


It's not "natural" for humans to build skyscrapers, kill for money, drink soda, torture animals for fun, or sit on Gaia and write about beastiality. We do it anyway because humans have higher thought processes than instinct, giving them the moral obligation to keep their wee-wees out of another species hoo-hoo chutes. Like I said before, interspecies mating is unnatural, that is why nature kills the offspring or any chance the offspring might reproduce.

Also, bodily cravings for drugs like cocaine are unnatural because the drug is a foreign substance that the body does not need initially, but grows attached to after prolonged use. Just because the body "wants" it does not mean it's natural.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:50 am


In life, even in human life there are what we call the hunters. The ones who seek out weaker life forms, either because of pleasure or because of sure will to live. Another type of person is the prey. The ones who are chased by the hunters either because they incapable of hunting or they refuse to do it. Then there are the type of people who are neither. They are not torchered and they are not going after others. They simply live life peacefully. These people are called the watchers. In life there are those people, it is the natural way of life even in a human life. It may be different from the wild animals live in but it is the same concept.

What I am getting at, the world is not set in one simple way. These ways are decided by fate its self and there is nothing you can do to change those circumstances to change it. The only way to change it is to seek out all those people who do it. Which is entirly impossible. No matter how much you dislike it, it will always be there. You may not accept their way of life but your gonna have to deal with it. They may or may not choose it, but you have no right to question their motives because it is their life and you do not control what they choose. No one can do that.

My purpose for this discussion was not to argue but to give you all a perseption of my side of the world. I accept your beliefs and morals, however you do not accept mine because you find it wrong the way I see it even though I would never do it. My personal opinion is that you think of others weird because they are different from you and their morals are more different so there for you fear it. No matter what you do or say will change this opinion, not until you accept the reality that things are the way they are for a reason no matter how much you disagree. Some people might even find your lifestyle wrong or discusting.


In any case...my opinion stays the same and I have no reason to argue with you on it because its stupid. Say what you will about me, call my views gross I don't care because it doesn't matter what you think, it will not change the way of life.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:41 am


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In life, even in human life there are what we call the hunters. The ones who seek out weaker life forms, either because of pleasure or because of sure will to live. Another type of person is the prey. The ones who are chased by the hunters either because they incapable of hunting or they refuse to do it. Then there are the type of people who are neither. They are not torchered and they are not going after others. They simply live life peacefully. These people are called the watchers. In life there are those people, it is the natural way of life even in a human life. It may be different from the wild animals live in but it is the same concept.

What I am getting at, the world is not set in one simple way. These ways are decided by fate its self and there is nothing you can do to change those circumstances to change it. The only way to change it is to seek out all those people who do it. Which is entirly impossible. No matter how much you dislike it, it will always be there. You may not accept their way of life but your gonna have to deal with it. They may or may not choose it, but you have no right to question their motives because it is their life and you do not control what they choose. No one can do that.

My purpose for this discussion was not to argue but to give you all a perseption of my side of the world. I accept your beliefs and morals, however you do not accept mine because you find it wrong the way I see it even though I would never do it. My personal opinion is that you think of others weird because they are different from you and their morals are more different so there for you fear it. No matter what you do or say will change this opinion, not until you accept the reality that things are the way they are for a reason no matter how much you disagree. Some people might even find your lifestyle wrong or discusting.


In any case...my opinion stays the same and I have no reason to argue with you on it because its stupid. Say what you will about me, call my views gross I don't care because it doesn't matter what you think, it will not change the way of life.


For a start, don't bring fate into this, because belief in it is subjective. The world may not be set in one way, but certain societies do have some degree of set morality. Secondly, I have every right to to question your beliefs, and every right to dislike them. I don't have to deal with it either. Because I can force them out of my life, as can society. That is the deal with criminals. Criminals can be criminals if they want, but they must accept that people will not like them, and people will cast them out. Same with sick perverts. Because that is what zoophiles are. People who have a mental disorder.

I don't like your beliefs and morals, what do you want me to do? I do not fear your morals. I am disgusted by them, because it means you either see no problem with ******** animals or you already do it. Either way, you are of no use to society if you think this way. And them you attempt to legitmise your beliefs with flawed biology. You are an awful kind of person. Because you make s**t up so people will call you right.

Actually, it can change your way of life. If you ******** an animal and get caught, you can go to prison. I call that pretty life changing.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:37 pm


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In life, even in human life there are what we call the hunters. The ones who seek out weaker life forms, either because of pleasure or because of sure will to live. Another type of person is the prey. The ones who are chased by the hunters either because they incapable of hunting or they refuse to do it. Then there are the type of people who are neither. They are not torchered and they are not going after others. They simply live life peacefully. These people are called the watchers. In life there are those people, it is the natural way of life even in a human life. It may be different from the wild animals live in but it is the same concept.

What I am getting at, the world is not set in one simple way. These ways are decided by fate its self and there is nothing you can do to change those circumstances to change it. The only way to change it is to seek out all those people who do it. Which is entirly impossible. No matter how much you dislike it, it will always be there. You may not accept their way of life but your gonna have to deal with it. They may or may not choose it, but you have no right to question their motives because it is their life and you do not control what they choose. No one can do that.

My purpose for this discussion was not to argue but to give you all a perseption of my side of the world. I accept your beliefs and morals, however you do not accept mine because you find it wrong the way I see it even though I would never do it. My personal opinion is that you think of others weird because they are different from you and their morals are more different so there for you fear it. No matter what you do or say will change this opinion, not until you accept the reality that things are the way they are for a reason no matter how much you disagree. Some people might even find your lifestyle wrong or discusting.


In any case...my opinion stays the same and I have no reason to argue with you on it because its stupid. Say what you will about me, call my views gross I don't care because it doesn't matter what you think, it will not change the way of life.


For a start, don't bring fate into this, because belief in it is subjective. The world may not be set in one way, but certain societies do have some degree of set morality. Secondly, I have every right to to question your beliefs, and every right to dislike them. I don't have to deal with it either. Because I can force them out of my life, as can society. That is the deal with criminals. Criminals can be criminals if they want, but they must accept that people will not like them, and people will cast them out. Same with sick perverts. Because that is what zoophiles are. People who have a mental disorder.

I don't like your beliefs and morals, what do you want me to do? I do not fear your morals. I am disgusted by them, because it means you either see no problem with ******** animals or you already do it. Either way, you are of no use to society if you think this way. And them you attempt to legitmise your beliefs with flawed biology. You are an awful kind of person. Because you make s**t up so people will call you right.

Actually, it can change your way of life. If you ******** an animal and get caught, you can go to prison. I call that pretty life changing.
So...you attempt to purge all those who are different from your views? Thats kinda stupid.

Anyways...um...just be continueously reposting this kinda s**t is really ignorant because I only skim through it as there is no need to read it.

For one, I never said I ******** animals. Two, I do not down the people that do it because that wouldn't be right. If they wanna do it then let them.

You completly misunderstood what I was saying. You refuse my point of view on things. If you are so open minded about life why do you not accept others views or their ways upon it?

You can't purge people of this socity because that is literally impossible. So your saying your going to go to every single persons house who does this or believes in it and throw them out of the country? Um, I think you are mistaken because the world does not work that way. And you know do not tell me what to bring and what not to bring in my own conversation. I can mention whatever the heck I want to.

You will never be able to stop people from believeing of what they want to or what they want to do with that belief. You can't purge people just because they are different.

I never said I was always right either, I could be wrong on the entire thing. I do not just go around making s**t up, I study it and sometimes even get knowlege from others about the thing I am studying. Do not tell me that I do that because I don't

You have no idea what kinda person I am and I find it extreamly stupid that you called me discusting because there was no call for that at all. Someone could think the way you live life is discusting.

I never question your beliefs or disrespect them. I simply offered you a piece of my own thoughts in this discussion. I did not down you because you believed what you believed, I do not have that right. However your saying my beliefs are wrong, you cannot prove that. What one says is wrong could be right in anothers eyes.


I personally don't care what you think. I don't really care what those other people think who actually do it. I am a middle person I see it both ways on both sides. I know you see it as wrong, but they see it as a right. I see it however as neither. I see it as life and thats the way it is and will always will be. It has been going on before the US even discovered it all. It dates back to the celts.

My opinion still stays the same about you. Your closed minded and do not see the both sides of the sheet which means you will never be able to understand the way life truly is and get all the qualities of it.


So you can put whatever you want but I won't respond to it at all because I am through with it. I do not want to argue, it was never my intention. Thanks for listening and have a merry christmas.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:23 am


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So...you attempt to purge all those who are different from your views? Thats kinda stupid.

Anyways...um...just be continueously reposting this kinda s**t is really ignorant because I only skim through it as there is no need to read it.

For one, I never said I ******** animals. Two, I do not down the people that do it because that wouldn't be right. If they wanna do it then let them.

You completly misunderstood what I was saying. You refuse my point of view on things. If you are so open minded about life why do you not accept others views or their ways upon it?

You can't purge people of this socity because that is literally impossible. So your saying your going to go to every single persons house who does this or believes in it and throw them out of the country? Um, I think you are mistaken because the world does not work that way. And you know do not tell me what to bring and what not to bring in my own conversation. I can mention whatever the heck I want to.

You will never be able to stop people from believeing of what they want to or what they want to do with that belief. You can't purge people just because they are different.

I never said I was always right either, I could be wrong on the entire thing. I do not just go around making s**t up, I study it and sometimes even get knowlege from others about the thing I am studying. Do not tell me that I do that because I don't

You have no idea what kinda person I am and I find it extreamly stupid that you called me discusting because there was no call for that at all. Someone could think the way you live life is discusting.

I never question your beliefs or disrespect them. I simply offered you a piece of my own thoughts in this discussion. I did not down you because you believed what you believed, I do not have that right. However your saying my beliefs are wrong, you cannot prove that. What one says is wrong could be right in anothers eyes.


I personally don't care what you think. I don't really care what those other people think who actually do it. I am a middle person I see it both ways on both sides. I know you see it as wrong, but they see it as a right. I see it however as neither. I see it as life and thats the way it is and will always will be. It has been going on before the US even discovered it all. It dates back to the celts.

My opinion still stays the same about you. Your closed minded and do not see the both sides of the sheet which means you will never be able to understand the way life truly is and get all the qualities of it.


So you can put whatever you want but I won't respond to it at all because I am through with it. I do not want to argue, it was never my intention. Thanks for listening and have a merry christmas.


Purge, no. Disagree with? Yes. Think they should leave our society unless they subscribe to our morals? Yes. That's why laws are laws.

Oh, okay. So if people wanna murder, let them? neutral

I am open minded about life, not ******** animals and flawed biology.

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I am saying zoophiles do not belong in human society.

This isn't a matter of belief, it's of mental health. I don't see you sticking up for child molestors in the same way. I mean, it's just an attraction after all. rolleyes

You ARE wrong on the entire thing. Biologically and psychologically.

I call you disgusting because you are standing up for a perversion that takes place on grounds of rape, animal abuse and biological deception as well as danger.

I cannot prove your beliefs are wrong. I can however prove that most people disagree with your opinions.

Please don't try and pair the Celts to your justification of mental sickness. Mind you, the Celts weren't exactly the most intelligent people.

I am closed minded for having an opinion on this one subject? No, I don't think so. But I love how "closed minded" is a phrase used by anyone who cannot get someone to agree. Accept it that I have explored your point of view, found no basis morally or biologically for supporting it, and discarded it as I would any other flawed theory. There are very few subjects I feel so strongly against. This is one of them. Because it is a sexual perversion that has no place in modern human society. It only stands to distract people from what they really are and potentially endanger human life through newfound disease. As for all this "understanding life" crap, if you really think understand life is about ******** animals, I suggest you check into a mental health clinic too.

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So...you attempt to purge all those who are different from your views? Thats kinda stupid.

Anyways...um...just be continueously reposting this kinda s**t is really ignorant because I only skim through it as there is no need to read it.

For one, I never said I ******** animals. Two, I do not down the people that do it because that wouldn't be right. If they wanna do it then let them.

You completly misunderstood what I was saying. You refuse my point of view on things. If you are so open minded about life why do you not accept others views or their ways upon it?

You can't purge people of this socity because that is literally impossible. So your saying your going to go to every single persons house who does this or believes in it and throw them out of the country? Um, I think you are mistaken because the world does not work that way. And you know do not tell me what to bring and what not to bring in my own conversation. I can mention whatever the heck I want to.

You will never be able to stop people from believeing of what they want to or what they want to do with that belief. You can't purge people just because they are different.

I never said I was always right either, I could be wrong on the entire thing. I do not just go around making s**t up, I study it and sometimes even get knowlege from others about the thing I am studying. Do not tell me that I do that because I don't

You have no idea what kinda person I am and I find it extreamly stupid that you called me discusting because there was no call for that at all. Someone could think the way you live life is discusting.

I never question your beliefs or disrespect them. I simply offered you a piece of my own thoughts in this discussion. I did not down you because you believed what you believed, I do not have that right. However your saying my beliefs are wrong, you cannot prove that. What one says is wrong could be right in anothers eyes.


I personally don't care what you think. I don't really care what those other people think who actually do it. I am a middle person I see it both ways on both sides. I know you see it as wrong, but they see it as a right. I see it however as neither. I see it as life and thats the way it is and will always will be. It has been going on before the US even discovered it all. It dates back to the celts.

My opinion still stays the same about you. Your closed minded and do not see the both sides of the sheet which means you will never be able to understand the way life truly is and get all the qualities of it.


So you can put whatever you want but I won't respond to it at all because I am through with it. I do not want to argue, it was never my intention. Thanks for listening and have a merry christmas.


Purge, no. Disagree with? Yes. Think they should leave our society unless they subscribe to our morals? Yes. That's why laws are laws.

Oh, okay. So if people wanna murder, let them? neutral

I am open minded about life, not ******** animals and flawed biology.

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I am saying zoophiles do not belong in human society.

This isn't a matter of belief, it's of mental health. I don't see you sticking up for child molestors in the same way. I mean, it's just an attraction after all. rolleyes

You ARE wrong on the entire thing. Biologically and psychologically.

I call you disgusting because you are standing up for a perversion that takes place on grounds of rape, animal abuse and biological deception as well as danger.

I cannot prove your beliefs are wrong. I can however prove that most people disagree with your opinions.

Please don't try and pair the Celts to your justification of mental sickness. Mind you, the Celts weren't exactly the most intelligent people.

I am closed minded for having an opinion on this one subject? No, I don't think so. But I love how "closed minded" is a phrase used by anyone who cannot get someone to agree. Accept it that I have explored your point of view, found no basis morally or biologically for supporting it, and discarded it as I would any other flawed theory. There are very few subjects I feel so strongly against. This is one of them. Because it is a sexual perversion that has no place in modern human society. It only stands to distract people from what they really are and potentially endanger human life through newfound disease. As for all this "understanding life" crap, if you really think understand life is about ******** animals, I suggest you check into a mental health clinic too.

Merry Christmas. confused
Dude, I am not going to argue with you anymore. Its stupid, so drop it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:18 pm


i don't think that it is right... this is because animals may be in pain or suffer due to a human wanting sexual pleasure... it just isn't right.
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