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 Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:18 pm
Aufstandkind You know, I never thought about it like that. It just didn't occur to me that the unborn child would have an afterlife in the first place. But you know, you're right. Overall, the idea of an afterlife--heaven and hell alike--scares me to death and I'm happy I won't have one. But it would cut a nicer image if the child could have one. All the more reason for people never to abort. I used to be pro-choice, just because women died in backalley abortions. Eventually I realised that abortion being legal isn't the answer. The answer is better programs for poor mothers, better adoption systems and orphanages, more opportunities for parents with no money to get financial aid and jobs. The answer isn't to kill the baby.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:28 pm
That's another thing, women in general are seen less as loose in relation to sexuality as they were in the past. An unwed mother isn't automatically a whore in the public's eyes like in the past. Many factors contribute to the absence of the father and quite a few of those aren't the fault of the mother or anyone at all.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:52 pm
I am a pro-life atheist too. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:15 pm
I'm a Pagan and I'm pro-life. I'm not religious in the way you'd think. But remember. Pagans enjoy life, nature, earth, etc. So, of course I'm pro-life. smile
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:17 pm
I am not part of any religion but I still have enough sense to realize that killing a life for your own convenience is wrong.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:15 pm
Dianthu I'm a Pagan and I'm pro-life. I'm not religious in the way you'd think. But remember. Pagans enjoy life, nature, earth, etc. So, of course I'm pro-life. smile Nah, religons are all equal to me. Spirituality isn't something something I define as mainstream religion or anything like that. The whole zealot thing lots of secular humanists define as "religion" isn't how I see it. It's just being insane about something and doesn't really have much to do with faith. That said, I disbelieve in all equally as well razz I don't see them as bad things, but even so. Pagan as I understand it in the modern era is a resurgance based on what we as modern society understands of pre-Christian nature worship based on documentation. I figure that would be pro-life. Am I wrong?
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:42 pm
Aufstandkind Dianthu I'm a Pagan and I'm pro-life. I'm not religious in the way you'd think. But remember. Pagans enjoy life, nature, earth, etc. So, of course I'm pro-life. smile Nah, religons are all equal to me. Spirituality isn't something something I define as mainstream religion or anything like that. The whole zealot thing lots of secular humanists define as "religion" isn't how I see it. It's just being insane about something and doesn't really have much to do with faith. That said, I disbelieve in all equally as well razz I don't see them as bad things, but even so. Pagan as I understand it in the modern era is a resurgance based on what we as modern society understands of pre-Christian nature worship based on documentation. I figure that would be pro-life. Am I wrong? Being equal is something society seems to lack. I'm equal to all spiritual paths as well. You have a good point of view. And yes, basically it would be pro-life. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:48 pm
Dianthu Being equal is something society seems to lack. I'm equal to all spiritual paths as well. You have a good point of view. And yes, basically it would be pro-life. biggrin I have to admit that one of my least favorite things about a lot of other Athiests is the seething disdain for people of faith. One of the most annoying and pushy zealots I've ever known was an Athiest who harassed anyone he met about their religion. I couldn't believe someone could talk about how closedminded he thought religious people were and then rant about how they were beneath him. Oh and does Lacrimosa count as gothic metal? I'm sorry, I have a profile clicking habit.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:09 pm
I guess you can call me agnostic but i'm not in a religion or religious.
I think that killing an embryo and fetus just because you don't want it (that what adoption is for) or don't want to be pregnant (people really need to learn about contraception and protection, or get their tudes tied if able...they should try to prevent pregnancy as much as possible if they don't want but alot of people don't) is wrong.
I only think it's o.k. to abort the fetus if it's a life and death situtation.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:22 am
Beware the Jabberwock Aufstandkind You know, I never thought about it like that. It just didn't occur to me that the unborn child would have an afterlife in the first place. But you know, you're right. Overall, the idea of an afterlife--heaven and hell alike--scares me to death and I'm happy I won't have one. But it would cut a nicer image if the child could have one. All the more reason for people never to abort. I used to be pro-choice, just because women died in backalley abortions. Eventually I realised that abortion being legal isn't the answer. The answer is better programs for poor mothers, better adoption systems and orphanages, more opportunities for parents with no money to get financial aid and jobs. The answer isn't to kill the baby. exactly I told someone recently that if women will resort to sticking hangers, and other objects, between there legs to kill a defenceless, innocent, human being, let them, but don't condone it by making it legal because that demeans the life of the unborn human being. It's straight-out saying that you can be killed and discarded into a dump if you have not been born yet, and that is just dehumanization at its finest, at least give the unborn the dignity of not condoning their murder as if they were a cavity that needed to be removed
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:39 am
I don't consider myself to be religious. I am more spiritual, like Beware the Jabberwock is. I believe in God, but not one written about in a piece of literature. I do not go to church and I have never been baptized any religion. I am proud to call myself a pro-lifer.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:46 am
Beware the Jabberwock Aufstandkind You know, I never thought about it like that. It just didn't occur to me that the unborn child would have an afterlife in the first place. But you know, you're right. Overall, the idea of an afterlife--heaven and hell alike--scares me to death and I'm happy I won't have one. But it would cut a nicer image if the child could have one. All the more reason for people never to abort. I used to be pro-choice, just because women died in backalley abortions. Eventually I realised that abortion being legal isn't the answer. The answer is better programs for poor mothers, better adoption systems and orphanages, more opportunities for parents with no money to get financial aid and jobs. The answer isn't to kill the baby. Exactly. Also, the reason abortions became safer is because of the widespread institution of health care and many medical advances such as penicillin. Many pro-choicers' will contest that it was because of the legalization of abortions. This is a fallacious claim. If you look at the trend of abortion related deaths and the years during the time, there is zero correlation of the effect of Roe v. Wade in making abortions safer. A study also shows that women are 4 times more likely to die from the after effects of abortion than of childbirth. (http://www.afterabortion.info/news/abortiondeaths.html) What I am trying to say is that their claim of "women will die in masses if abortions are made illegal because of back alley abortions. We need to keep our women safer." is completely erroneous. I am a 100% female rights advocate (just to let people know I am not a misogynist trying to passively force the killing of women gonk )
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:25 pm
Beware the Jabberwock Oh! Theallpowerfull isn't religious either! I don't know how I forgot about him. XD I was just about to complain about the lack of name-dropping here. You're damn right I'm not religious. I'm not even atheist. I just believe in human life. If something comes after then I'll deal with it after. For now, let's just lessen the casualties so that as many people as possible can get a chance to try out this game we call life. P.S. They don't legalize prostitution, and it would actually be safer if legal and monitored by the government. Hmmm... people do that anyway. Let's not even get into heroine and the transmission of AIDS... P.P.S. I agree with My Conscience about the killing women thing. mrgreen Just kidding!!!
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:45 am
Lady_Amalthea Beware the Jabberwock Aufstandkind You know, I never thought about it like that. It just didn't occur to me that the unborn child would have an afterlife in the first place. But you know, you're right. Overall, the idea of an afterlife--heaven and hell alike--scares me to death and I'm happy I won't have one. But it would cut a nicer image if the child could have one. All the more reason for people never to abort. I used to be pro-choice, just because women died in backalley abortions. Eventually I realised that abortion being legal isn't the answer. The answer is better programs for poor mothers, better adoption systems and orphanages, more opportunities for parents with no money to get financial aid and jobs. The answer isn't to kill the baby. exactly I told someone recently that if women will resort to sticking hangers, and other objects, between there legs to kill a defenceless, innocent, human being, let them, but don't condone it by making it legal because that demeans the life of the unborn human being. It's straight-out saying that you can be killed and discarded into a dump if you have not been born yet, and that is just dehumanization at its finest, at least give the unborn the dignity of not condoning their murder as if they were a cavity that needed to be removed this may sound kinda cold, but i've always thought the whole 'coathanger' thing was a pretty shitty argument. I mean, if someone broke into my house and tried to stab me to death, and seriously injured themselves in the process, i doubt anybody would feel sorry for them. Hell most people i know would say something along the lines of 'served that a*****e right.' Now i don't feel that way exactly, but i gotta tell you, using that as an excuse for keeping abortion legal is downright silly.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:26 am
MiNdCaNdY Lady_Amalthea Beware the Jabberwock Aufstandkind You know, I never thought about it like that. It just didn't occur to me that the unborn child would have an afterlife in the first place. But you know, you're right. Overall, the idea of an afterlife--heaven and hell alike--scares me to death and I'm happy I won't have one. But it would cut a nicer image if the child could have one. All the more reason for people never to abort. I used to be pro-choice, just because women died in backalley abortions. Eventually I realised that abortion being legal isn't the answer. The answer is better programs for poor mothers, better adoption systems and orphanages, more opportunities for parents with no money to get financial aid and jobs. The answer isn't to kill the baby. exactly I told someone recently that if women will resort to sticking hangers, and other objects, between there legs to kill a defenceless, innocent, human being, let them, but don't condone it by making it legal because that demeans the life of the unborn human being. It's straight-out saying that you can be killed and discarded into a dump if you have not been born yet, and that is just dehumanization at its finest, at least give the unborn the dignity of not condoning their murder as if they were a cavity that needed to be removed this may sound kinda cold, but i've always thought the whole 'coathanger' thing was a pretty shitty argument. I mean, if someone broke into my house and tried to stab me to death, and seriously injured themselves in the process, i doubt anybody would feel sorry for them. Hell most people i know would say something along the lines of 'served that a*****e right.' Now i don't feel that way exactly, but i gotta tell you, using that as an excuse for keeping abortion legal is downright silly. *coughaclucough*
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