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 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:31 pm
Kiyome the Dragon Hehehe! Leavaros, and demon, you were entertaining to read. You both have two very different views on what is good in a book. Being of both the dark and the light time, and having read more than my share of books; I can sincerely say you are both right. You just value two different things in books. I enjoy both being in the dark, and having the sight light brings as well. A good book, you two, has both. Remember that. wink Back to the topic, that was a very informative history Leavaros. I knew some of it, but most was very unknown to me. 3nodding Hmm.... So the three are one again. Vale, -LD
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:34 pm
glorybaby Cat fight XD I actually know little about Tolkien and never read any of his books, so yall can tell me all about him if you want wink But I found more interesting topics within this discussion.... Don't let all my periods and commas scare you. I use them to be legible and easier to understand *found all the semicolons and commas from Demon, Leavaros, and Kiyome the Dragon intimidating* Demon Democracy is just a double-edged sword, in reality, nothing gets done. But if you get enough like minded people together it just turns into a social dictatorship, but that's another story. I've never thought of that O.o but, yeah...that does seem to ring true to me. Demon Believe me, the best stories are the dark ones, having a dark view helps you see the brighter side of things and ideas, lets you enjoy what you like all the more. I already have my world, and my character to traverse its every inch of it. I got more loop holes, happy endings, sad endings, bagabonds, warriors, lovely ladies and evil war lords to last me until I die. I don't really need success, if I can get out what's in my head, who cares about being published. First, I LOVE happy endings. "Too happy" ones suck. They sicken me and I start wishing for somebody to die twisted domokun Especially in movies...even though movies and writing are different in my view. I agree very much that a dark stories are very good and can get points across better. If it's so dark, you just kinda stare and ask, "Why!? Why does Jane have to die!? Why can't they get married and have many kids!? crying gonk " Darkness provokes questions. Like a deformed or ugly person gets your attention more. You ask why they're deformed and you want the details and the story. And happy stories...hmm...They're so happy and just caught up in the "happy feelings." Think about when you're just SO happy. You can't think much past that feeling of happiness. You're content and smile and don't ask questions. I think, the same think is true with a story... I find it shocking you don't want to get published. Most people want to get published, even I do. But I do kinda understand...You don't want to clutter up the libraries of the world with more sappy, half baked stories, correct? I would want to be published for pats on the back, fame, have fans, etc. Less for bettering mankind and their libraries, more for "Oh, Carol! You're WONDERFUL! WE LOVE YOU!!!" But in order to get that effect, I might have to write stories that attempt to better mankind, reveal truths to them and show them things about themselves. But...if I could just write for myself like I did when I was a kid, then I'd have a whole library full of stories, some sappy, some about a floating dead kid in a river XP (wrote a very short story about that once when I was like 9. I must have been a demented kid...) I even enjoy going back and READING my old stories. And, aren't these sappy self-libraries where the great ideas come from? Great writers started with ideas, wrote a bunch for their self-library, then went back and pulled out those stories and ideas to write a book for the World to read. Now I've open up more a lot more cans of worms mrgreen Ugliness and beauty, movies vs. writing, why does one write, and more. Somebody make a mountain out of a molehill with me. domokun You know, for all the periods, commas, and semicolons, this is nearly incomprehensible. stare Demon? Care to take this one? wink Vale, -LD
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:16 pm
Leavaros glorybaby Cat fight XD I actually know little about Tolkien and never read any of his books, so yall can tell me all about him if you want wink But I found more interesting topics within this discussion.... Don't let all my periods and commas scare you. I use them to be legible and easier to understand *found all the semicolons and commas from Demon, Leavaros, and Kiyome the Dragon intimidating* Demon Democracy is just a double-edged sword, in reality, nothing gets done. But if you get enough like minded people together it just turns into a social dictatorship, but that's another story. I've never thought of that O.o but, yeah...that does seem to ring true to me. Demon Believe me, the best stories are the dark ones, having a dark view helps you see the brighter side of things and ideas, lets you enjoy what you like all the more. I already have my world, and my character to traverse its every inch of it. I got more loop holes, happy endings, sad endings, bagabonds, warriors, lovely ladies and evil war lords to last me until I die. I don't really need success, if I can get out what's in my head, who cares about being published. First, I LOVE happy endings. "Too happy" ones suck. They sicken me and I start wishing for somebody to die twisted domokun Especially in movies...even though movies and writing are different in my view. I agree very much that a dark stories are very good and can get points across better. If it's so dark, you just kinda stare and ask, "Why!? Why does Jane have to die!? Why can't they get married and have many kids!? crying gonk " Darkness provokes questions. Like a deformed or ugly person gets your attention more. You ask why they're deformed and you want the details and the story. And happy stories...hmm...They're so happy and just caught up in the "happy feelings." Think about when you're just SO happy. You can't think much past that feeling of happiness. You're content and smile and don't ask questions. I think, the same think is true with a story... I find it shocking you don't want to get published. Most people want to get published, even I do. But I do kinda understand...You don't want to clutter up the libraries of the world with more sappy, half baked stories, correct? I would want to be published for pats on the back, fame, have fans, etc. Less for bettering mankind and their libraries, more for "Oh, Carol! You're WONDERFUL! WE LOVE YOU!!!" But in order to get that effect, I might have to write stories that attempt to better mankind, reveal truths to them and show them things about themselves. But...if I could just write for myself like I did when I was a kid, then I'd have a whole library full of stories, some sappy, some about a floating dead kid in a river XP (wrote a very short story about that once when I was like 9. I must have been a demented kid...) I even enjoy going back and READING my old stories. And, aren't these sappy self-libraries where the great ideas come from? Great writers started with ideas, wrote a bunch for their self-library, then went back and pulled out those stories and ideas to write a book for the World to read. Now I've open up more a lot more cans of worms mrgreen Ugliness and beauty, movies vs. writing, why does one write, and more. Somebody make a mountain out of a molehill with me. domokun You know, for all the periods, commas, and semicolons, this is nearly incomprehensible. stare Demon? Care to take this one? wink Vale, -LD Notice, you completely ignored my ideas I brought up and just kicked me to the side. That ain't nice. stare I didn't mean it all your periods, commas and semicolons were a BAD thing. It always surprises me to see people use a semicolon. I bet it puts off a lot of the average people. My comment about it in my first post was actually a warning to the average people 3nodding But I do mean this ^_^ You're a p***k, a jerk to Demon, to me. I even saw you being a p***k to Demon on another thread. You talk like you're all high and mighty, maybe you are smart and knowledgeable like you act, but what is the point in being all knowledgeable if you're a creep to people? They won't listen to you if you're mean to them. I'm not attacking you. I telling you this because I've been a prude p***k girl in my time and it's better not to be. I want to hear your ideas and thoughts, as long as you're not going to be rude and nitpick me. stare And yes, I can be very hard to understand. mrgreen
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:53 am
*sigh*
Glorybaby,
I didn't write more because I didn't have time. I fully intended--intend--to get back to that, but as they say, there are only so many hours in a day.
Demon and I are friends, and PM daily, or every two or three days max. He understands that everything I say is in good-natured debate, and not in cruel retribution. wink
Now, I use semicolons, commas, and periods because they are proper, and I'm tired of reading posts that are hard to read due to poor punctuation, not to be "high and mighty", but in the hope that others will take my example to heart.
I think that your language, even censored, is uncalled for, and to tell you the truth, not only immature, but bluntly impossible. (Case and point, "prude p***k girl")
As earlier stated, I will get back to you. But your outburst is a setback. I'll have to type more later.
Vale,
-LD
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:01 am
glorybaby Cat fight XD I actually know little about Tolkien and never read any of his books, so yall can tell me all about him if you want wink But I found more interesting topics within this discussion.... Don't let all my periods and commas scare you. I use them to be legible and easier to understand *found all the semicolons and commas from Demon, Leavaros, and Kiyome the Dragon intimidating* Demon Democracy is just a double-edged sword, in reality, nothing gets done. But if you get enough like minded people together it just turns into a social dictatorship, but that's another story. I've never thought of that O.o but, yeah...that does seem to ring true to me. Demon Believe me, the best stories are the dark ones, having a dark view helps you see the brighter side of things and ideas, lets you enjoy what you like all the more. I already have my world, and my character to traverse its every inch of it. I got more loop holes, happy endings, sad endings, bagabonds, warriors, lovely ladies and evil war lords to last me until I die. I don't really need success, if I can get out what's in my head, who cares about being published. First, I LOVE happy endings. "Too happy" ones suck. They sicken me and I start wishing for somebody to die twisted domokun Especially in movies...even though movies and writing are different in my view. I agree very much that a dark stories are very good and can get points across better. If it's so dark, you just kinda stare and ask, "Why!? Why does Jane have to die!? Why can't they get married and have many kids!? crying gonk " Darkness provokes questions. Like a deformed or ugly person gets your attention more. You ask why they're deformed and you want the details and the story. And happy stories...hmm...They're so happy and just caught up in the "happy feelings." Think about when you're just SO happy. You can't think much past that feeling of happiness. You're content and smile and don't ask questions. I think, the same think is true with a story... I find it shocking you don't want to get published. Most people want to get published, even I do. But I do kinda understand...You don't want to clutter up the libraries of the world with more sappy, half baked stories, correct? I would want to be published for pats on the back, fame, have fans, etc. Less for bettering mankind and their libraries, more for "Oh, Carol! You're WONDERFUL! WE LOVE YOU!!!" But in order to get that effect, I might have to write stories that attempt to better mankind, reveal truths to them and show them things about themselves. But...if I could just write for myself like I did when I was a kid, then I'd have a whole library full of stories, some sappy, some about a floating dead kid in a river XP (wrote a very short story about that once when I was like 9. I must have been a demented kid...) I even enjoy going back and READING my old stories. And, aren't these sappy self-libraries where the great ideas come from? Great writers started with ideas, wrote a bunch for their self-library, then went back and pulled out those stories and ideas to write a book for the World to read. Now I've open up more a lot more cans of worms mrgreen Ugliness and beauty, movies vs. writing, why does one write, and more. Somebody make a mountain out of a molehill with me. domokun First, democracy does get things done, just at a less radical pace than its counterparts (I.E. Monarchy, Fascism). And to the social dictatorship bit, I can only say that it is somewhat more fair than a dictator in the likes of Lenin, for example. Isn't that in the end, what we seek in society? Some form of justice, of sheer fairness that maintains order and peace throughout the land? Happy endings, sad endings, meh. Whatever is right for the book will is right for me, and I get annoyed at authors who try to make a twist ending and don't pull it off well. Movies and books are very different, but I always prefer the books.... I'm probably going to see Eragon, partially to see how badly it sucks, and partially to see if the cast and audio team can pull off a book like that. Truly powerful fantasists can weave together tragedy and triumph, darkness and light--and all aforementioned traits that I've not listed here-- into a deeply moving piece of writing that leaves you craving more, yet somehow content, and rouses questions even as it plays on your heartstrings like a master harpist on a harp. Hmm. Why don't you write to better the world--and yes, mankind--and then accept the fame as it comes to you. mrgreen Yes, and believe me when I say I know what you're feeling. When I was younger, I could write for hours on end, and craved more. But now, a few sentences placate me. The funny thing is, when I was younger, I swore that if my writing were only a little better, I could get published, and now that my writing is good--better than some published crap--I wish I cold get my voracity for writing back. Ahh, "Youth is wasted on the young," as they say. Vale, -LD
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:06 pm
All right ladies and gentlemen, it's time I put my foot down and seperated everyone! I go away for a month and I come back to chaos. goodness gracious...
Just kidding, cookies for all!
To Kiyome, thank you, and I know we're both right, how would we not be?
To Glorybaby, I'm glad you got something out of post, but I'm afraid you misread my post, I said if I can get it all out of my head than I don't really care if I'm published or not. I write for myself and only myself, so what reads well to me I like and I'll end up changing it a hundred times before I really really like it. Publishing would be nice, a nice fat royalty check would certainly be nice. I don't so much wants fans or popularity, I'm a very keep to myslef kind of guy, I don't think I'd handle fans well. Haha.
Also, thank you for standing up for me in my absense, no need though, Leasvaros and I trade blows frequently, we're used to taking shots at each other. I wouldn't call him a bully, maybe over opinionated and stubborn, but not a bully (Vale wink )
To Vale, I don't really have anything that last post pretty much sums up with a twist of egocentric and negative thought mixed in with past euphamisms and I found it quite enjoyable. I want to see Eragon just because, people who go into a movie expecting it to suck waste their money on a movie that they made suck for them. I didn't like how many of the HP movies turned out, but I went in with an open mind realising there are somethings that can be done and some things that can't, it's called reality.
To Glory again, sorry I'm jumping around so much, I'm actually startled that a little no where thead actually became something.
there is a time and place for very happy and very sad. A writer just needs to be able to judge when that should be and know that very happy moments hardly last more than a few days in a book while evil, horrible darkness can last until the end of the book. What I'd like to accomplish is a very nuetral tone with spikes of both here and there. My character is very... well, in a way, he's very driven in the beginning and does a lot of not good things, and this lasts for a long time because he's from a more educated world and he can properly think over situations, but in the end his mini-empire comes crashing down, but it happens due to happiness.
Twists are all well and good as Leavaros pointed out, the author just needs to know how to work them into the story without completely confusing the reader. What I like doing is if I get stuck on a twist, I write out 6 outcomes to the situation and roll a six-sided die and I go with whatever turns up whether I like it or not. That way, if I don't like it, I'm more motivated to write until something I do like happens.
anyway, just my thoughts, and apologies for taking this thread further from its original purpose.
I blame Leavaros and his lack of new fiction history.
The Demon
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:16 pm
glorybaby Notice, you completely ignored my ideas I brought up and just kicked me to the side. That ain't nice. stare I didn't mean it all your periods, commas and semicolons were a BAD thing. It always surprises me to see people use a semicolon. I bet it puts off a lot of the average people. My comment about it in my first post was actually a warning to the average people 3nodding But I do mean this ^_^ You're a p***k, a jerk to Demon, to me. I even saw you being a p***k to Demon on another thread. You talk like you're all high and mighty, maybe you are smart and knowledgeable like you act, but what is the point in being all knowledgeable if you're a creep to people? They won't listen to you if you're mean to them. I'm not attacking you. I telling you this because I've been a prude p***k girl in my time and it's better not to be. I want to hear your ideas and thoughts, as long as you're not going to be rude and nitpick me. stare And yes, I can be very hard to understand. mrgreen
And now... Back to the discussion! biggrin
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:20 pm
maybe over opinionated and stubborn, but not a bully (Vale wink )
Cheap shot.... evil
I blame Leavaros and his lack of new fiction history.
And again! scream
no need though, Leasvaros and I trade blows frequently,
Not the name! gonk
Vale,
-LD
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:24 pm
Oh look, we even got the boss-lady to come! mrgreen
Crystalmuse, welcome to my thread, I hope you find yourself comfortable here.
*bows elegantly with a flourish*
heart *takes crystalmuse by the hand on bended knee and kisses the back of her hand in a princely manner* heart
Vale,
-LD
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:21 pm
eek redface Well... *ahem*
This thread has been enlightening. I've been lurking in it since it was made.
Edit: You guys should apply for crew here. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:44 pm
crystalsmuse eek redface Well... *ahem*
This thread has been enlightening. I've been lurking in it since it was made.
Edit: You guys should apply for crew here. biggrin
Hmm. Sounds good to me! mrgreen
How about you Demon? Kiyo?
I think I'll apply for crew after exams. I've been sick with the flu for about a week now, and I'm going to have major make-up work/studying to do....
But once that sorts out I'll be happy to join the team!
Vale,
-LD
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:00 pm
-just stares at them- ....nothing...to say....
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:08 pm
crystalsmuse eek redface Well... *ahem*
This thread has been enlightening. I've been lurking in it since it was made.
Edit: You guys should apply for crew here. biggrin Why is it everytime I join a guild the head honcho asks me to be part of the crew?! Must be my award winning personality and charming smile scream . I might, I won't be able to assist much, I only have internet on one computer because my wireless went for the KA-CHOPPA! So I have to fight my poker-playing mumsee and... I guess MSN obsessed sister. the Demon
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:20 pm
Good luck, moms and sisters are difficult people to vie for the computer with.
-LD
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:27 pm
-strokes her computer- mine....only and soley mine....
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