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 Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:12 am
Cometh The Inquisitor thelovelyLIZ Okay, I'm sorry but I did not understand that first bit at all. Could you explain it again maybe? Yeah, sure. Genesis 3:16 says "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel". This is commonly read as a sort of messianic prophecy, relating to the crucifiction wherein the 'son of woman' (Jesus, being Mary's son) crushes 'the snake's' head (defeating The Satan with the crucifiction), while 'the snake' 'strikes his heel' by the act of the crucifiction. Plus, the other reasoning behind saying that The Satan was the snake is that, if God's creation was 'very good' (ref. genesis 1: 31), then why would the snake tempt Eve away from God? It must have been something outside of The Creation, thus leading to the evil metaphysical beings, the chief one of those being The Satan. Interesting, I had never heard the bit about the prophecy. Learn something new everyday biggrin As I've said, the whole bit about the snake being Satan or not is a nitpicky detail- I'm crazy is all. The point is humans did end up sinful and... that's really all.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:07 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor thelovelyLIZ Okay, I'm sorry but I did not understand that first bit at all. Could you explain it again maybe? Yeah, sure. Genesis 3:16 says "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel". This is commonly read as a sort of messianic prophecy, relating to the crucifiction wherein the 'son of woman' (Jesus, being Mary's son) crushes 'the snake's' head (defeating The Satan with the crucifiction), while 'the snake' 'strikes his heel' by the act of the crucifiction. Plus, the other reasoning behind saying that The Satan was the snake is that, if God's creation was 'very good' (ref. genesis 1: 31), then why would the snake tempt Eve away from God? It must have been something outside of The Creation, thus leading to the evil metaphysical beings, the chief one of those being The Satan. Yes I have heard that as a messianic prophecy and I always thought hey why not?
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:07 pm
I have a question: How do we know that "the snake" refers to Satan and not just a talking snake?
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:10 pm
Because of what Cometh mentioned before.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:52 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Because of what Cometh mentioned before. What are you talking about?
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:58 pm
Lethkhar What are you talking about? About half-way through the first page this subject is bought up.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:27 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor thelovelyLIZ Okay, I'm sorry but I did not understand that first bit at all. Could you explain it again maybe? Yeah, sure. Genesis 3:16 says "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel". This is commonly read as a sort of messianic prophecy, relating to the crucifiction wherein the 'son of woman' (Jesus, being Mary's son) crushes 'the snake's' head (defeating The Satan with the crucifiction), while 'the snake' 'strikes his heel' by the act of the crucifiction. Plus, the other reasoning behind saying that The Satan was the snake is that, if God's creation was 'very good' (ref. genesis 1: 31), then why would the snake tempt Eve away from God? It must have been something outside of The Creation, thus leading to the evil metaphysical beings, the chief one of those being The Satan. Oh, so it all of a sudden becomes metaphorical? Strange...
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:16 pm
Lethkhar Oh, so it all of a sudden becomes metaphorical? Strange... Specifically the last paragraph of what you quoted states with why it 'all of a sudden becomes metaphorical'.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:00 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oh, so it all of a sudden becomes metaphorical? Strange... Specifically the last paragraph of what you quoted states with why it 'all of a sudden becomes metaphorical'. A talking snake in and of itself seems pretty metaphysical to me. I still don't see how you reached the conclusion that it was Satan.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:46 pm
Lethkhar A talking snake in and of itself seems pretty metaphysical to me. I still don't see how you reached the conclusion that it was Satan. Because the Corruption of Man just seems important enough that The Satan probably would've wanted to do it himself. You know, it is basically the ultimate 'up yours, God'.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:21 pm
Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oh, so it all of a sudden becomes metaphorical? Strange... Specifically the last paragraph of what you quoted states with why it 'all of a sudden becomes metaphorical'. A talking snake in and of itself seems pretty metaphysical to me. I still don't see how you reached the conclusion that it was Satan. Why would a normal snake want to or have the power to temp Eve to sin, after all that woulld be sinning and animals dont sin b/c they dont know right from wrong.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:48 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar A talking snake in and of itself seems pretty metaphysical to me. I still don't see how you reached the conclusion that it was Satan. Because the Corruption of Man just seems important enough that The Satan probably would've wanted to do it himself. You know, it is basically the ultimate 'up yours, God'. But God let him do it, right? Maybe it was a snake sent by God? That seems to make much more sense. Even if it was Satan, God was in complete control and should've been able to stop Satan. So, whether Satan liked it or not, he was going completely with God's will.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:49 pm
Digi_Dream_Gurl Lethkhar Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Oh, so it all of a sudden becomes metaphorical? Strange... Specifically the last paragraph of what you quoted states with why it 'all of a sudden becomes metaphorical'. A talking snake in and of itself seems pretty metaphysical to me. I still don't see how you reached the conclusion that it was Satan. Why would a normal snake want to or have the power to temp Eve to sin, after all that woulld be sinning and animals dont sin b/c they dont know right from wrong. Who said it was a normal snake? It could talk, for God's sake!
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:19 pm
Lethkhar But God let him do it, right? Basically. Quote: Maybe it was a snake sent by God? That seems to make much more sense. Even if it was Satan, God was in complete control and should've been able to stop Satan. So, whether Satan liked it or not, he was going completely with God's will. No. God granted his creation free will, which means that the actions of The Satan are not the result of God's will.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:44 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar But God let him do it, right? Basically. Quote: Maybe it was a snake sent by God? That seems to make much more sense. Even if it was Satan, God was in complete control and should've been able to stop Satan. So, whether Satan liked it or not, he was going completely with God's will. No. God granted his creation free will, which means that the actions of The Satan are not the result of God's will. Och, sorry. I confused Christianity with Islam. sweatdrop Angels don't have free will in Islam. So tell me, why couldn't God stop the snake, even with free will? I mean, He doesn't seem to have too much trouble divinely intervening in other cases throughout the Bible.
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