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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:15 pm
Me against gay marriage has nothign to do with it being sin. I strictly and will always believe that marriage is meant for man and woman as that is how it is defined. That is what a marriage is. A union of two people, man and woman coming together as one. Now a civil union, I'm cool for gay people having that. As that is what it would be for homosexuals. But marriage isn't for them, it's different. I'm not sure if I'm explaining how I view this clearly, but that's how I see it. There's a distinct difference. Like how girls and guys have separate bathrooms. It's not to make either unequal or for one to have the better. But guys and girls are different in that way but they are used for the same purpose. Make sense?
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:18 pm
Yeah, but what defines marriage, the bible, the torah, and those are religious books so it does root back to religion unless you can find another source that says that marriage is defined by 2 people who are male and female that didn't get their source from the bible/torah or other religious doctrine
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:26 pm
I have no idea where people got their sources from. But googles Wed definitions define it as that. And they give you lots of link. And what's wrong with it being founded by religious beliefs. America was orignally founded on religious beliefs. And the pope or whatever of the church at the time was held at high regard.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:32 pm
SaraRenee I have no idea where people got their sources from. But googles Wed definitions define it as that. And they give you lots of link. And what's wrong with it being founded by religious beliefs. America was orignally founded on religious beliefs. And the pope or whatever of the church at the time was held at high regard. Actually America was founded on freedom of Religion above all else. They wanted to belief what they wanted, and I don't think a definition should be taken over people who feel like they're being disrespected because a lot of gay people think they're being disrespected by the words "legal unions" and that makes them feel like straight people look down on them which I don't think is right or should be right.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:38 pm
I also believe a lot of gay people (not all) but a lot think they are better than straight people. They tend to think they are more open minded or better because they can see living a different lifestyle. That's not cool either. But maybe some wish to ban gay marriage as disrespect but others believe what I believe. Different people meet different needs.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:08 pm
SaraRenee I also believe a lot of gay people (not all) but a lot think they are better than straight people. They tend to think they are more open minded or better because they can see living a different lifestyle. That's not cool either. But maybe some wish to ban gay marriage as disrespect but others believe what I believe. Different people meet different needs. But would you agree that Gay Marriage is an unimportant subject against most other political subjects such as protecting peoples rights and war? I mean those things are more important, and treatment of prisoners (Guanatonimo Bay.) I think everyone can agree on that, but people are generally hypocritical, like in Ohio during the 2004 elections, a lot of Christians weren't going to go out to vote when the Presidency was at stake and the war was at stake, but they put Gay marriage on the ballot and Christians came flocking. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. This isn't an attack on you Sara, but would you agree that Gay Marriage is only a small issue?
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:30 pm
I have heard that indeed America was founded on christian principles, but freedom of Religion was in place so that no one was forced to be christian if they did not want to be.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:42 am
LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee I also believe a lot of gay people (not all) but a lot think they are better than straight people. They tend to think they are more open minded or better because they can see living a different lifestyle. That's not cool either. But maybe some wish to ban gay marriage as disrespect but others believe what I believe. Different people meet different needs. But would you agree that Gay Marriage is an unimportant subject against most other political subjects such as protecting peoples rights and war? I mean those things are more important, and treatment of prisoners (Guanatonimo Bay.) I think everyone can agree on that, but people are generally hypocritical, like in Ohio during the 2004 elections, a lot of Christians weren't going to go out to vote when the Presidency was at stake and the war was at stake, but they put Gay marriage on the ballot and Christians came flocking. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. This isn't an attack on you Sara, but would you agree that Gay Marriage is only a small issue? In my mind it's very simple to solve and yes it would be a small issue. But in America no it's not a small issue. I'm not old enough to vote but any subject that I was informed on and had an opinion on I would go and vote. War I would vote on, treatment of prisoners I would vote on, even right now in my state some schools are being desegrated because of neighborhoods, again I would vote on that. That's important because a new racist movement can start but also a better school can be born...Now if gay marriage was there, compared to those my answer would come simply but I would definitely vote on it and take it as serious as the other things mentioned above.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:20 pm
SaraRenee LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee I also believe a lot of gay people (not all) but a lot think they are better than straight people. They tend to think they are more open minded or better because they can see living a different lifestyle. That's not cool either. But maybe some wish to ban gay marriage as disrespect but others believe what I believe. Different people meet different needs. But would you agree that Gay Marriage is an unimportant subject against most other political subjects such as protecting peoples rights and war? I mean those things are more important, and treatment of prisoners (Guanatonimo Bay.) I think everyone can agree on that, but people are generally hypocritical, like in Ohio during the 2004 elections, a lot of Christians weren't going to go out to vote when the Presidency was at stake and the war was at stake, but they put Gay marriage on the ballot and Christians came flocking. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. This isn't an attack on you Sara, but would you agree that Gay Marriage is only a small issue? In my mind it's very simple to solve and yes it would be a small issue. But in America no it's not a small issue. I'm not old enough to vote but any subject that I was informed on and had an opinion on I would go and vote. War I would vote on, treatment of prisoners I would vote on, even right now in my state some schools are being desegrated because of neighborhoods, again I would vote on that. That's important because a new racist movement can start but also a better school can be born...Now if gay marriage was there, compared to those my answer would come simply but I would definitely vote on it and take it as serious as the other things mentioned above. Well lets say you could vote on three issues, taxes, the war and homosexuality, wouldn't the economy and the war be the ones that are a little more important than whether or not gays should marry?
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:51 pm
War will happen anyways whether it's vote on or not. Vietnam is my example. It is not called a war but the Vietnam Conflict because congress was against the war and whatever blah. But America still went in and fought despite the policy of stating out of war. Taxes is something that completely confuses me and I don't even pretend to understand. And for the homosexuality I understand it to be sin, I understand that marriage is for man and woman. And that one will be listen to based on votes, so yea I'd vote on it.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:52 pm
SaraRenee War will happen anyways whether it's vote on or not. Vietnam is my example. It is not called a war but the Vietnam Conflict because congress was against the war and whatever blah. But America still went in and fought despite the policy of stating out of war. Taxes is something that completely confuses me and I don't even pretend to understand. And for the homosexuality I understand it to be sin, I understand that marriage is for man and woman. And that one will be listen to based on votes, so yea I'd vote on it. This is where a liberal would attack you, just preparing you, but homosexuality in any sense is not as important as a war that kills 500 American soldiers a month or the environment, and you still haven't shown a non-religious reason for banning gay marriage, and no we are not a Christian nation. And Allythea: Quote: I have heard that indeed America was founded on christian principles, but freedom of Religion was in place so that no one was forced to be christian if they did not want to be. If they don't want to be Christian than how can they live under a Christian government. No America is not a Christian nation it is a free nation and no religious laws whether it be gay marriage or something else would be fair because we are not a Christian nation.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 pm
LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee War will happen anyways whether it's vote on or not. Vietnam is my example. It is not called a war but the Vietnam Conflict because congress was against the war and whatever blah. But America still went in and fought despite the policy of stating out of war. Taxes is something that completely confuses me and I don't even pretend to understand. And for the homosexuality I understand it to be sin, I understand that marriage is for man and woman. And that one will be listen to based on votes, so yea I'd vote on it. This is where a liberal would attack you, just preparing you, but homosexuality in any sense is not as important as a war that kills 500 American soldiers a month or the environment, and you still haven't shown a non-religious reason for banning gay marriage, and no we are not a Christian nation. And Allythea: Quote: I have heard that indeed America was founded on christian principles, but freedom of Religion was in place so that no one was forced to be christian if they did not want to be. If they don't want to be Christian than how can they live under a Christian government. No America is not a Christian nation it is a free nation and no religious laws whether it be gay marriage or something else would be fair because we are not a Christian nation. My reason for voting agianst as nothing to do with it. I'd vote on it whether was I was spiritual or not. In no way shape or form do I follow a set religion nor do I believe in religion, there for my reasoning against gay marriage isn't religion. It is biblical but let me tell you, way before I was into God and Jesus I was against gay marriage. And to come at it from the stand point before I was saved, I'd still vote against it becaues it's wrong. Marriage is man and women. Two people of the OPPOSITE sex becoming one. That is my stand and always will be my stand whether or not I'm saved or not saved. And America was founded on Christian values. They came to America because protestants weren't allowed freedom to worship God their own way. It was catholic or be excuted. So they came to America. So America was founded on protestant vaules and beliefs if anything. Now it's no longer a Christian nation but that is how it started out.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:18 pm
SaraRenee LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee War will happen anyways whether it's vote on or not. Vietnam is my example. It is not called a war but the Vietnam Conflict because congress was against the war and whatever blah. But America still went in and fought despite the policy of stating out of war. Taxes is something that completely confuses me and I don't even pretend to understand. And for the homosexuality I understand it to be sin, I understand that marriage is for man and woman. And that one will be listen to based on votes, so yea I'd vote on it. This is where a liberal would attack you, just preparing you, but homosexuality in any sense is not as important as a war that kills 500 American soldiers a month or the environment, and you still haven't shown a non-religious reason for banning gay marriage, and no we are not a Christian nation. And Allythea: Quote: I have heard that indeed America was founded on christian principles, but freedom of Religion was in place so that no one was forced to be christian if they did not want to be. If they don't want to be Christian than how can they live under a Christian government. No America is not a Christian nation it is a free nation and no religious laws whether it be gay marriage or something else would be fair because we are not a Christian nation. My reason for voting agianst as nothing to do with it. I'd vote on it whether was I was spiritual or not. In no way shape or form do I follow a set religion nor do I believe in religion, there for my reasoning against gay marriage isn't religion. It is biblical but let me tell you, way before I was into God and Jesus I was against gay marriage. And to come at it from the stand point before I was saved, I'd still vote against it becaues it's wrong. Marriage is man and women. Two people of the OPPOSITE sex becoming one. That is my stand and always will be my stand whether or not I'm saved or not saved. And America was founded on Christian values. They came to America because protestants weren't allowed freedom to worship God their own way. It was catholic or be excuted. So they came to America. So America was founded on protestant vaules and beliefs if anything. Now it's no longer a Christian nation but that is how it started out. Firstly it had nothing to do with the Catholics, the Protestants were trying to escape the Anglicans (British side of the church), and they set up a government with no religious value but only moral value that was not derrived from religioun but common sense. Many of the founding fathers such as Thomas Jefferson really didn't care too much for religion and they didn't make a government or society based on it, and Marriage has never been defined before religion as being between a man and a woman and taking away peoples rights because of a definition is ridiculous in my opinion.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:24 pm
Anglicans was the same as Catholics pretty much. But I'm not getting into history. It's all intertwined and it started with King Henry the something Tudor and went to his same then his daughter then his other daughter. And between each reign many were slaughtered because of not following the Catholic religion. Before Queen Elizabeth (Can not remember her sisters name.) Queen something killed over 300 of her staff because they were protestant. And ws even going to kill her sister, but she died before she signed the order and Elizabeth became queen. That's as far as I'm getting in it. They aren't taking away people's right! A marriage is man and woman! Civil union is Man and Man or Woman and Woman. Same concept different name because Marriage is for the opposite sex and Civil Union is for the same sex. They don't find it offensive they are called gay and heteros are called straight. Different names for different lifestyles. So they way to legalize that life commitment to each other would be different for each lifestyle as well.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:38 pm
SaraRenee Anglicans was the same as Catholics pretty much. But I'm not getting into history. It's all intertwined and it started with King Henry the something Tudor and went to his same then his daughter then his other daughter. And between each reign many were slaughtered because of not following the Catholic religion. Before Queen Elizabeth (Can not remember her sisters name.) Queen something killed over 300 of her staff because they were protestant. And ws even going to kill her sister, but she died before she signed the order and Elizabeth became queen. That's as far as I'm getting in it. They aren't taking away people's right! A marriage is man and woman! Civil union is Man and Man or Woman and Woman. Same concept different name because Marriage is for the opposite sex and Civil Union is for the same sex. They don't find it offensive they are called gay and heteros are called straight. Different names for different lifestyles. So they way to legalize that life commitment to each other would be different for each lifestyle as well. They don't see it that way and the Anglican church might have started out very similiar but they had no relationship with the catholic.
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