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 Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:34 am
Brevelan Kim Dzong @Brevelan - i suppose that we are ignorant and foolish, as a nation , sad but TRUE. especially nowadays emo .... Hey Babe in all reality.... I believe the US to be the most ignorant nation in the world.... Look at us... We believe that for people to have the right to trade with us they should have the privilage of learning our language cause it is doubtful that anyone of us will lower ourselves to the level of speaking the language native to the country we trade with... We seldomly relate to any kind of hardship outside our own pathetic little country... Then when 9-11 happened everyone jumped off of their a** (pardon my language) and was like "oh help us we're in danger" it is no wonder our strongest allies turned there back on us... The presidents here have been gloating about us "being a world power" which I suppose in ome aspects we are.... But we cannot control crime and famine and poverty in our country.... And I don't mean to offend other Americans.... But whether you realize that those thing plegue our country or not, or whether you struggle with those aspects on a daily basis or not... They are there!!! They are pleguing us.... Why the hell are we sending our troops to their death.... We aren't ready for war... We haven't been for neigh on 100 years.... What the hell are we doing? Ok sorry got a bit of a rant going there!
Well said! As a nation we are terribly ignorant. I could go into a whole big rant myself here, but I'll just say...I agree with what you said and leave it at that.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:40 am
I totally agree with that as well. Very well said!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:37 pm
well... i dont like the U.S as a whole myself...
and i hate the "war for freedom" thing... i mean..
oh..nevermind.. xp
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:11 pm
Oh boy... politics. And in this political environment too (just after an election)...
Without going in to a rant myself, and hopefully without upsetting anyone too severely, I by and large disagree with most of what's been stated. Although I do not agree with many of the politics of our government, or attitudes of our society as a generalized whole, I do believe that our country has the right to defend itself - and yes, this means Iraq. And no, 9/11 was not an isolated incident of attack, it was just the one with the most impact. The conflict in Iraq should have been started and ended years ago, instead of it being put on hold once already (as is likely to happen once more) because of career politicians playing the politicing game and being more concerned about their popularity ratings than doing their job to defend or protect our country and our citizens, IMHO.
Controlling crime and poverty is something that plagues most nations - even the more socialized ones. And the US is not Communist or Socialist; Our government gives us the right - the responsibility - as individuals living here to make our own fortune, or not, as is our ability and/or will. It is not up to the government to dole hand-out after hand-out because we think we "deserve it" (for what? for living here?) or whatever.
Yes, we can be a bit snobby when it comes to language, but doesn't it ultimately depend on what business you're in and what your business goals are, as to whether you learn another language or not, and how this affects your business - your livlihood? I'm sure there are plenty of business people out there who have learned at least one other language in order to conduct business... not to mention all the Americans who still speak Italian, Spanish, Farsi, whatever, in their homes and in their local communities...
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:53 am
I am 1/4 Polish and I have a best friend that is half Polish. We also have several mutual friends that are Polish and even one of them moved from Poland and his parents still live there. Some of the most amazing people I've ever met are Polish. I don't do stereotypes. The end.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:47 am
I remember reading a thread somewhere in the forums about stereotypes of Americans way back in my early days here. People from lots of countries agreed that they held stereotypes that Americans were fat and lazy, rich and spoiled, but most added little sidenotes that of course stereotypes don't hold true for every person.
If you'd have asked me what stereotypes I knew of for the Polish, I wouldn't have been able to think of anything, because although I know there ARE a lot of jokes with Poles as the target (like blonde jokes), I can't even remember 1 of them nor what they were trying to get at.. redface
As for the political rant, I AM ashamed of my country (US) and its actions and keep wanting to run off to New Zealand.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:17 am
I knew there was a thread I was supposed to post in!! :p
Currently I woul hate to be a Pole living here. (UK) There is a lot of bad feeling and animosity towads them at the moment here, because a large number have moved here in the last year or so.
Of course there is the usual thing of 'the outsiders have stolen our jobs and our unemployment is really high' blah blah blah. Working in a pub, I get to hear everyone's opinions on everything. And having worked ina number of different types of pub, I've come across people from every walk of life, so I get to hear opinions on the same topic from everyone.
Generally, the upper classes look down their noses at anyone who isn't 'British' anyway, and don't understand people who have to work to live. :p
The midle classes, they want to be upper class, so try to act like them. Don't really understand what's going on, make all the racist jokes and such and have a laugh about anything they feel is 'beneath' them.
The working class - well they are just horrid. You would think they would understand wanting a better job and more money but no. They think they now have someone under them to poke fun at and treat like crap! And they seem to be the biggest load of homophobic, xenophobic and sexist bunch of men ever!
Then of course there are the unemployed - they see the Poles as stealing their jobs, howeer were they offered the jobs, they would turn them down because they get more money on the Dole than they woul if they were working!! And of course the dodgy Employers see the Poles as a cheap workforce and so don't put them though the books, pay them less than the minimum wage an treat them like crap.
These are all generalisations, based on pub talk. There are a load of people who don't think this way, but of course they aren't vocal about it, so you never know what they think.
I HATE having to listen to people go on about these sorts of things! Its the bit of my job I hate the most! I can only tell them to stop a conersation if they start talking about Celtic and Rangers/Catholics and Protestants or possibly some parts of politics. If they are being racist twits, as long as they are doing it quietly then I'm not allowed to tell them to shut it!
I would think that if someone wants a job, and can do the job, then they shoul get the job if they are the best candidate. And should therefore be given the same benefits as anyone else. Who cares where they are from?!
:: Bring on my business!!! Can't wait to get out of the pub!! ::
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:49 am
MysticfawN I remember reading a thread somewhere in the forums about stereotypes of Americans way back in my early days here. People from lots of countries agreed that they held stereotypes that Americans were fat and lazy, rich and spoiled, but most added little sidenotes that of course stereotypes don't hold true for every person. If you'd have asked me what stereotypes I knew of for the Polish, I wouldn't have been able to think of anything, because although I know there ARE a lot of jokes with Poles as the target (like blonde jokes), I can't even remember 1 of them nor what they were trying to get at.. redface As for the political rant, I AM ashamed of my country (US) and its actions and keep wanting to run off to New Zealand. I see far too many people who fit the American discription of fat and lazy.... As a nation I think we are and Colorado is a big one... Our obesity ratings overall are in the top 5 in the states... I work in a fast food resterant that is located in a Target store... And it makes me want to cry to see how many of those that are considered obese are children between the ages of 1-15... If we would cut some of the bad things like koolaid and pop out of our diets we would be better off as a nation... Fast food as well I see stuff like that as a "special" only to be gotten on occasion... Meals at home tend to be more nutricious and filling...! Ooops went on and on again!
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:38 pm
Blaisixi Oh boy... politics. And in this political environment too (just after an election)... Without going in to a rant myself, and hopefully without upsetting anyone too severely, I by and large disagree with most of what's been stated. Although I do not agree with many of the politics of our government, or attitudes of our society as a generalized whole, I do believe that our country has the right to defend itself - and yes, this means Iraq. And no, 9/11 was not an isolated incident of attack, it was just the one with the most impact. The conflict in Iraq should have been started and ended years ago, instead of it being put on hold once already (as is likely to happen once more) because of career politicians playing the politicing game and being more concerned about their popularity ratings than doing their job to defend or protect our country and our citizens, IMHO. Controlling crime and poverty is something that plagues most nations - even the more socialized ones. And the US is not Communist or Socialist; Our government gives us the right - the responsibility - as individuals living here to make our own fortune, or not, as is our ability and/or will. It is not up to the government to dole hand-out after hand-out because we think we "deserve it" (for what? for living here?) or whatever. Yes, we can be a bit snobby when it comes to language, but doesn't it ultimately depend on what business you're in and what your business goals are, as to whether you learn another language or not, and how this affects your business - your livlihood? I'm sure there are plenty of business people out there who have learned at least one other language in order to conduct business... not to mention all the Americans who still speak Italian, Spanish, Farsi, whatever, in their homes and in their local communities... ok , 9/11 = bad , no doubt about that. i understand that attack on afghanistan was necessary, because evil Osama is there. about Iraq don't u think, that is a VERY wide meaning of the word "DEFENSE" ? ?? what i mean is, u cant really defend yourself againts a country that's on the other side of the world exclaim this country is no threat to the USA exclaim what's more exclaim everyone knows (?) that it was (another question - some believe (me too) that it was Bush who destroyed the 2 towers, but that's another story) , that Saddam was a bad ********, but he did not have any nuclear weapons? answer ? - that was an attack, not defense.. i understand that it was an evil regime in the middle east... another thing - i understand that the Iraqis were happy that the coalition forces caught Saddam, but why do they stay there ?? ?? that's called occupation. and the people attacking US/Brit/Polish/Other soldiers are not terrorists. they are partisants, fighting for the freedom of their country. i would do exact same thing if i was in their place 3nodding at the end i want to say , that sometimes i have troubles putting my thoughts into words, so if u dont get dont understand what i meant - just ask xD another thing - that is just my opinion, i do NOT want to insult any one 3nodding heart @MysticfawN - i love my country. i would fight for it, but i am ashamed of what it's current goverment is doing to it now. my dream is to escape from here.. to get a better ( ? ? ? ) life...
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:55 pm
sad all this saddens me. this is meant to be an enlightened age. but all over the world people are treated badly, usually by someone who is richer than them. people say that love makes the world go round, but in all honesty i think it's greed and money. and if a group of people aren't being persecuted because they're poorer than another, it's because of their religion. stressed anyway, going back to what originally asked, someone sent this as a joke in my email group, but like many jokes, it's an accurate representaion of the truth, bunch of lazy Brits standing around while a Pole does all the work neutral 
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:42 pm
Poppetta people say that love makes the world go round, but in all honesty i think it's greed and money. Maybe it's that love is what should make the world go round, or what makes it go round smoother, and what we should try to focus on more than the ease of money/greed, because love and caring takes more effort. Pawel, I really like how you put what you said about Iraq. I agree that our actions there have VERY little to do with bin laden and am appalled that we're still there, except that Bush thinks he's admitting defeat if he pulls out. I hate that more and more mothers have to see their sons die when all we're doing by being there is fueling fires further. Poppy, that joke image reminds me of a commercial I've seen so often lately (having watched more tv over the past week than in the past 5 years combined!) about 3 corporate guys standing by their window drinking coffee and remarking about how typical it is that in construction, one guy does all the work while everybody else stands around and watches, and all the while, their female team-member is busy problem-solving for them on her laptop. "Good job team" one guy says as she comes up with their answer.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:26 pm
lol! that's even worse than the pic i posted actually isn't it?
because not only does it highlight the general them and us thing of the workers and those who stand watching.
but the even worse crime of the male taking all the credit for the female co-worker's efforts scream
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:41 pm
see, they are standing like that , because they know how it's done...
it's the same here.. 1 guy digs a hole, 10 of his co-workers watch if he does this properly xD
and they are all drunk anyway xD 3nodding 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:28 am
MysticfawN Poppetta people say that love makes the world go round, but in all honesty i think it's greed and money. Pawel, I really like how you put what you said about Iraq. I agree that our actions there have VERY little to do with bin laden and am appalled that we're still there, except that Bush thinks he's admitting defeat if he pulls out. I hate that more and more mothers have to see their sons die when all we're doing by being there is fueling fires further.
Don't forget about their daughters too. sad I have a coworker, she is the most incredible person. She was a Navy Corpman...that means she was medical. She has some wonderful stories, but mostly terrible ones. And you can see how hard it is for her to even talk about the things she saw over there. She will tell you that we shouldn't be there because all the insurgents want to do is kill our soldiers. She talks about how many of the Iraqis hate us andjust want us out. This comes from someone who has been there and not the media spin doctors. Bush wants to "win" this war, but how can you win when it really is a civil war. The fighting between the factions will not end because of us, in fact it has gotten worse.
Oh, yes, of course we have the right to defend ourselves, but going into Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam (yes, a very evil man) had nothing to do with 9/11. It feels like Bush is dishonoring the memories of the victims of 9/11 by using their deaths as an excuse to go after the man that his father failed to take care of.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:23 am
Ah yes, I do tend to overlook the women in the military. Maybe my mind was hoping that most women are too smart to join. wink blaugh (I often say "if women ruled the world" and I really think wars and the whole idea of "oh yeah? well I'll kill all your guys! Oh YEAH?! I'll kill all YOUR guys!!" is the only strategy males could come up with. What does it HELP, really?)
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