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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:21 pm
Uh, Sati... you are kinda, y'know, the goddess of Death? Who literally bites mens' heads off? Is a demon really that much worse? ^^;;
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:54 am
Sati: Damn straight it is XD
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:39 pm
Roth: *stumped* ... Wanna just go kill some stuff?
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:14 pm
eeee *can't believe that she, like so many others, missed this one (although I'm SLOWER ON THE UPTAKE) * Adelaide sounds like all kinds of awesome,and I can't wait to see her in action~ biggrin
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:48 am
Well we did all sneaky, never announced it in the main thread etc XD
Sati: I will kill demons with you...would you like that? >=D
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:56 pm
One critique, as requested~ Since this isn't about impressing anyone in the hopes of bringing them to your concept as a potential second gen Fa'e/Lost Child, I'm going to be focusing heavily on the character make and the like, rather than picking over spelling errors or bugging you to post up new material. Additionally, a lot of what I'm saying here, I'm not trying to get you to change. I'm trying to get you to consider the reasons why you decided so-and-so things. I can't necessarily see into your thought process just by reading what you've written, so don't feel obligated to take my questioning something as "it needs to be changed", so much as "I'd like to see it explained" or "I'd like to see more thought put into the reasons you decided this". Just as a disclaimer. :3 General Information All right, let's start this off. Reluctantly, my first point has to be about Addie's name. Not because I want you to change it, but because I want you to consider what you're saying when you picked it. For her name, you picked the name of an Australian city- which I commend you on in many ways, because it's original, it sounds awesome, and it really fits the Fa'e. But as to the actual reasoning why your IC would pick this name, you put: "it would be a moniker bestowed by Tweek due to her relatively simplistic understanding of Australia." First thing you need to consider about this. How would Tweek know that the little Fa'e baby in her hands is suitable for an Australian name? At the moment, we do not know exactly how Addie will look, though we certainly have hopes; given all considerations about how being reborn as a second gen Fa'e might affect her appearence, making an OOCC decision that your IC character will be able to look down, poke the baby, and go "Aha! It's Australian! I will have to give it a name after a city there!" might be getting ahead of yourself. Now, I love the name. I really think you should use it- not even a doubt in my mind! I'm just hoping that you can consider the IC reasoning behind it a little more. A lot of people don't put too much thought into what name they're going to give their kids beyond "zomg this would be SO COOL!" A lot of characters magically get elaborate and obscure names from their culture base, with little to no explanation how the Guardian came up with it. If you can, try to make sure you put some forethought into how Tweek will arrive at this name that isn't so dependant on something you may not have control over. I am also unclear as to the exact reasoning why Malu would be reborn as a female. Why exactly would any part Mulumura's spirit go off with her brother's soul? I understand that you want to try and include her, based just on the rock formation that the legend seems to surround; however, it doesn't make all that much sense that this is the way (and ONLY way) that it would take form. What I would strongly advise to fill this out is for you to write up a more detailed account of Malu and his sister, so that there's a working and more complete history that people can read off of to understand their interactions a little more. Regardless of whether or not you "need" to get it up to try and find someone that would like to make Addie a reality, since that's already a dream come true, I honestly think that this is going to be very necessary to further both your's and other's understanding of the influences behind Addie's personality. With the development of Mulumura's spirit accompanying her brother, it is implied that they had a very strong sibling bond. What needs to be established somewhere in the background, though, is why this bond would result in a male kangaroo making only the change to being a female kangaroo, when their spirit is mixed with that of a female snake. A moment to give you kudos on not defining Addie's sexuality. That's just how I like things to be; left to character development and character interaction. Personality-wise: excellent! Addie's personality is very well-defined, and flaws are difficult to find. The main question that arises for me when I'm looking over this pertains to how she makes friends. From what I understand, Addie's personality is based heavily on an animal mentality; survival of the fittest, so on and so forth. This is why she is impulsive, why she grabs onto things that interest her and gets upset when people get in the way of her single-minded explorations, and, of course, affects how she learns language. With all these things in mind, why does Addie's personality make an exception at what is a personality I consider best described as "animalistically unreasonable", have a very human loyalty to the friends that make it into her inner circle? Generally speaking, the first rule when basing personality around an animal's is that of survival. A creature will only be loyal as long as it benefits them, unless you want to suggest that Addie is somehow "tame"- which, from the rest of her personality, doesn't seem that likely. I want to pause here to go off on a bit of a tangent. I think one of my main bits of confusion with her personality is that it is very unclear what animal she is intended to be based off of. Is it supposed to be a kangaroo, that determines her appearence? One of the ancient kangaroos you mentioned, that determines her dietary habits? And are there any traits at all that she picked up from Muluruma, other than just her gender? A lot of what I see in her are traits that have been determined on a "pick and choose" basis, where one rarely affects any of the others in any way that can be clearly read. And I honestly believe that that is Addie's greatest weakness as a character at the moment, where it seems like more effort being put in to clearly define the sources that influence her and making sure that those sources are fully incorporated into her character, and not just grazing it where it meets any predefined ideal, is what is going to further her character the most. Because you don't want to have to come back when she's teen questing or whatever and have to try and explain why Addie might be holding onto a part of Muluruma's spirit without showing any more traits from her than gender, y'know? When we get into favorites, especially, is where this definition is very needed, along with a lot of heavy thought into the why. Why would Addie's favorite drink be just... water? Why don't any other things play in? From what you've written as her favorite foods, it seems she has basically human tastes, with the exception of the raw meat/undercooked eggs thing. Human tastes buds can find water pleasing, of course, don't get me wrong- but why doesn't Addie like something like juice, since she likes fruit and vegetables and such? One more thing I'd mention is that, perhaps in the personality section, you ought to describe her more "serious" and "solitary" side. Under favorite sounds, you listed "silence" as one of them; this suggests that Addie enjoys having some alone time to rest and recharge, but there's nothing about this written about her character. I'd say that's something that's pretty important to establish, if it plays so much into her character as that. In roleplay, solitary situations won't come up all that often, but in questing and the like, it can; establishing how her personality differs then, as compared to other times, could be a good bit of development for her. Mythos Unfortunately, I don't know what much I can say here. I really would need to see more development in this area before I could give it any feedback. I understand that with an Aboriginal myth, it's difficult to get information- unfortunately, if you're going to have a Fa'e based on the culture, you need to be prepared to either find the necessary stories somehow, or make up the details that you need. There's no way to get by without having more of a background than what you have written here. Powers First thing I need to bring up. Kangaroo's "good eyesight" has a catch, which is going to be a little interesting for Addie. XD Check it out here: "Kangaroos have good eyesight but only respond to moving objects. They have excellent hearing and can swivel their large ears in all directions to pick up sounds." This could actually be a pretty damn cool trait to RP, but definitely make sure to double-check your facts on their abilities. There are a lot of facts out there, and for creatures like kangaroos, you'll want to check multiple sources to make sure you have all the facts. I certainly have no problems with Addie's other animal-related powers here. I think the leg thing is actually pretty cool, and the long-travel thing? It's not over the top at all, so don't worry about it. Puchi was the one that suggested a few spheres of focus for any Fa'e (or, really, battle-capable character) to prioritize, those being strength, speed, intelligence, and magic. With Addie, it seems that putting speed at the top of the list would be very appropriate for her character, considering her background and personality. Having a power relating back to her kangaroo self like this? Totally appropriate. Go for it. I really enjoy the concept of the Dream world, but I have to ask it. What happens if she's in the Dream world, and runs out of energy? Would that be fatal for her, or would she be booted out of the Dream world? How dangerous is teleporting, really; are there other creatures there that might try to attack her? Looking over her character, the Dream world sort of stands out as something that will be hugely signature for Addie, so I'd like to see things defined a good deal more there. This all said; I can definitely see why Sayuri and Karma wanted to have your concept be their Fa'e's spawn, even from just her personality alone! Addie looks like she's going to be an awesome fun character to play, and definitely interesting for the parents to try and interact with. She's a character with a lot of energy built into her, and I can't wait to see how things turn out with her. x3 This is one of the most character-strong concepts I've seen around, and you've done a great job fleshing Addie out. There's always room to improve, of course, but I've got no doubts that you're going to do great by her!
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:34 pm
WOW~! Thank you so much, that helps me worlds! I really appreciate your time and effort and I'm not just going to let it sit around and mold over. This week's busy for me with lab practicals and quizzes, but over the weekend and definitely next Tuesday I'm really going to try to sink my teeth into some of this, edit some stuff heavily and pound out a more in depth reply.
You're such a wiz at character development! I completely see the point behind a lot of your insights and I'm looking forward to hammering them out. Some of the information on the front page is simply dated, like the whole name ordeal, back to when I didn't really have an understanding about how the Fa'e worked, and is in sore need of an update.
I agree, I need to edit my old word documents and get the original story up there. Since I only worked from bare bones, I'm just going to hope that some liberties are allowed, and I can always change them later.
Again, thanks you for the utterly fabulous critique. I really hope I may have a chance to RP with you at some point in the future once all this has been tinkered with appropriately! ^_^
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:02 pm
I'll be poking around this thread, so whenever you get a chance to address some of the concepts I brought up, I'll be thrilled to read them and reply with whatever help I can offer. x3
And trust me, there's plenty of room for liberties with these things. God only knows how many I'm gonna be taking with Dusty, once her plot gets running full speed. So don't worry to use your own inventiveness to fill in the spaces that the myth doesn't cover; I think it's pretty necessary for ANY Fa'e, even those who have detailed myths to go off of.
And all I can say is, you'd better be ready to give me some awesome Addie/Dusty crazy roleplay time goodness out of this, so count on having that chance at RP. XD If they were the same age, I'd guarantee that one of them would go home bloody and bruised, period.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:58 pm
x__x Just a note to say that it's finals time, so I may be somewhat scarce in the next two weeks or so. I'll still be checking mail and I'm still thinking heavily on Addie. I ended up getting her mythos about half finished before Thanksgiving but ended up coming down with a virus, so alas, it's still not quite done, but should be up soon.
If anyone needs to talk to me about Addie or anythign else please send me a PM. Thank you! heart
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:51 pm
Just a note to say that finding written references for Aboriginal myths can be VERY hard, since they are passed down through dance more than through word, and never written down until very recently. But nothing Tweek has written in the myth section contradicts anything I learned about the myths in primary school and high school, if that helps any...?
Maybe I should ask my parents if they have any kids books on the myths that mention the kangaroo myth... They're both primary school teachers, so they have the school resources as well as their own stuff.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:16 pm
Many thanks for the note, Kali! ^o^ heart
That would be very helpful! Although no pressure to find anything juicy, as it may be hard! Malu's myth is a bit obscure and apart from little notes in the description of Kata Tjuta, I can't find a lot of details on it. I think, being connected to such a sacred place, its also a story that's not as widely told to outsiders. I do know that some myths surrounding Kata Tjuta are so sacred that they are told exclusively to certain members of the tribe. It's wonderful to have you as a resource, though! If you stumble upon anything interesting I'd love to hear about it.
That reminds me, I should look into the library here for resources. I'm sure they'd have a book or two on The Dreaming in general... hmm...plottage.
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:04 pm
Haha XD Poor Sati officially has a certain bun in a certain oven and Arkie's catching hell over it.
Arkie: gonk
After finals, if you can, we should all put our heads together and figure out how to have Tweek meet up with ze parents-to-be X3
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:55 pm
*patpats Arkie* You go, dude n.n
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:55 pm
Arkie: No, YOU go...and take me with you!! ;__; *clings*
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:46 pm
Awr! *psychs self* Two more days and I can finally crawl back to Gaia! (And sanity! x_x)
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