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 Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:12 am
CelestialDreamz KempoMaster ahhh! that stupid fishing game is so addicting!! @#*!! anyways, we take a general philosophy at our dojo. when someone says what about a gun etc. we ask where it is. if it's in their holster which is the best place to have a gun if you want to use it, then we're usually within 2 feet when this is said, by the time they can reach into the holster to grab the gun everyone in our school would have closed the gap and put several lumps onto their face. now, the general answer we get is "it's in my car" "it's at my house" etc. that doesn't do you a bit of good. on top of that, if you can't take out or disarm someone from being so close (IF your life depended on it) then most of our adults either have a gun or can shoot really well. one of our students owns a gun club and we have outings and go shooting. the hand-eye coordination gets much better the longer you do martial arts. i'm thinking of entering skeet tournies now because of it. i had some professional skeet shooters playing ahead of us and they thought i was a veteran the first time i shot. point being gun good, martial arts good, which is gooder? it's up the the person and distance, but gun + martal arts = goodest! Haha, I'm addicted to that fishing thing too. Glad to see you're alive, though. =D That's pretty interesting...but what if the guy comes up behind you, or doesn't give you enough time to react? I think the point is if the gun is pointed at you, whether you know about it or not you are in the deep brown stuff. If the gun is holstered, you know they coming, you are really close and you can take them down pretty much instantaneously you might stand a chance. Thats a lot of ifs... @kempo, yeah I've done quite a bit of shooting and its suprising how much upper body strength you need to shoot well, not to mention coordination, timing and breath control, all things helped by MA training. And you're right, gun training and MA training owns a** biggrin
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:42 am
DarklingGlory CelestialDreamz KempoMaster ahhh! that stupid fishing game is so addicting!! @#*!! anyways, we take a general philosophy at our dojo. when someone says what about a gun etc. we ask where it is. if it's in their holster which is the best place to have a gun if you want to use it, then we're usually within 2 feet when this is said, by the time they can reach into the holster to grab the gun everyone in our school would have closed the gap and put several lumps onto their face. now, the general answer we get is "it's in my car" "it's at my house" etc. that doesn't do you a bit of good. on top of that, if you can't take out or disarm someone from being so close (IF your life depended on it) then most of our adults either have a gun or can shoot really well. one of our students owns a gun club and we have outings and go shooting. the hand-eye coordination gets much better the longer you do martial arts. i'm thinking of entering skeet tournies now because of it. i had some professional skeet shooters playing ahead of us and they thought i was a veteran the first time i shot. point being gun good, martial arts good, which is gooder? it's up the the person and distance, but gun + martal arts = goodest! Haha, I'm addicted to that fishing thing too. Glad to see you're alive, though. =D That's pretty interesting...but what if the guy comes up behind you, or doesn't give you enough time to react? I think the point is if the gun is pointed at you, whether you know about it or not you are in the deep brown stuff. If the gun is holstered, you know they coming, you are really close and you can take them down pretty much instantaneously you might stand a chance. Thats a lot of ifs... @kempo, yeah I've done quite a bit of shooting and its suprising how much upper body strength you need to shoot well, not to mention coordination, timing and breath control, all things helped by MA training. And you're right, gun training and MA training owns a** biggrin I want to be a snipper
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:33 am
Bahvanta DarklingGlory CelestialDreamz KempoMaster ahhh! that stupid fishing game is so addicting!! @#*!! anyways, we take a general philosophy at our dojo. when someone says what about a gun etc. we ask where it is. if it's in their holster which is the best place to have a gun if you want to use it, then we're usually within 2 feet when this is said, by the time they can reach into the holster to grab the gun everyone in our school would have closed the gap and put several lumps onto their face. now, the general answer we get is "it's in my car" "it's at my house" etc. that doesn't do you a bit of good. on top of that, if you can't take out or disarm someone from being so close (IF your life depended on it) then most of our adults either have a gun or can shoot really well. one of our students owns a gun club and we have outings and go shooting. the hand-eye coordination gets much better the longer you do martial arts. i'm thinking of entering skeet tournies now because of it. i had some professional skeet shooters playing ahead of us and they thought i was a veteran the first time i shot. point being gun good, martial arts good, which is gooder? it's up the the person and distance, but gun + martal arts = goodest! Haha, I'm addicted to that fishing thing too. Glad to see you're alive, though. =D That's pretty interesting...but what if the guy comes up behind you, or doesn't give you enough time to react? I think the point is if the gun is pointed at you, whether you know about it or not you are in the deep brown stuff. If the gun is holstered, you know they coming, you are really close and you can take them down pretty much instantaneously you might stand a chance. Thats a lot of ifs... @kempo, yeah I've done quite a bit of shooting and its suprising how much upper body strength you need to shoot well, not to mention coordination, timing and breath control, all things helped by MA training. And you're right, gun training and MA training owns a** biggrin I want to be a snipper I'm guessing your refering to "sniper" or else it's totally irrelevant to what were chatting about right now :p. Btw, becoming a sniper is one of the hardest military educations, since you have to know how to recon and have cardio like a sports horse, you'll also have to be good in staying stealthy and having quick reflexes.
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:16 am
Deimos_Strife I'm guessing your refering to "sniper" or else it's totally irrelevant to what were chatting about right now :p. >w< LOL.... I don't think i would ever want to be involved in that type of job... waaaay too risky and Too much info kept hidden from you. nah ah...
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:50 pm
People seem to forget that shooting IS a martial art. Anything that has to deal with combat and is refined to a style or art is considered a martial art.
And a gun will always win. There could be a skinny, out of shape child with no experience in fighting at all against a 200lb black belt in varying martial arts, give the kid a gun and it's all over.
Same goes for a knife. Some of the best martial artists in the world have been defeated by a prison rush with a blade.
hand to hand fighting is great, but remember that knife>pugilism and gun>knife
I however like to have moderate training in hand to hand, knife fighitng, sword fighting and shooting.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:06 pm
My girlfriend tells me that in Brazil, it's very common for poor children to walk up behind people on the streets, poke them in the back with something that might feel like a gun, and tell them to hand over their money.
Sometimes it's really a gun, sometimes it's not.
Because you don't even know if they really do, it's pretty stupid to risk not giving them what they want.
What Hylonomus said about giving a skinny kid a gun, versus a trained martial artist made me think of that.
I'm not sure what I would do in a situation like that. I like to tell myself that I'd pretend to get out my wallet and then quickly hit them or something , but that'd be stupid to even attempt.
I guess this is where Delmars idea about carrying two wallets, one with a small amount of money and nothing important in it that you can give to a mugger, while all your money and identification is in another one kept in a different pocket, comes in.
Other than that I can't think of how to get out of that sort of situation without risking a lot by assuming they don't actually have a gun.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:07 pm
A guy I know was walking around mexico some place and a guy asked for his shoes. He said no so the guy puled a rusted revolver and asked again. He said it probably wont fire so the guy shot it into the air to prove it. I laughed when I heard this from him.
Also we may get our concealed carry here in Kansas now.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:45 am
Guys, you're forgetting one style that could defeat any bullet....and that's iron body training. All you gotta do is get your qi up and what not.
And back to reality for me.....
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:25 pm
new Iron body hidden kevlar jacket.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:23 am
Ihabia My girlfriend tells me that in Brazil, it's very common for poor children to walk up behind people on the streets, poke them in the back with something that might feel like a gun, and tell them to hand over their money. Sometimes it's really a gun, sometimes it's not. Because you don't even know if they really do, it's pretty stupid to risk not giving them what they want. What Hylonomus said about giving a skinny kid a gun, versus a trained martial artist made me think of that. I'm not sure what I would do in a situation like that. I like to tell myself that I'd pretend to get out my wallet and then quickly hit them or something , but that'd be stupid to even attempt. I guess this is where Delmars idea about carrying two wallets, one with a small amount of money and nothing important in it that you can give to a mugger, while all your money and identification is in another one kept in a different pocket, comes in. Other than that I can't think of how to get out of that sort of situation without risking a lot by assuming they don't actually have a gun. Well, real warriors are skinny, young guerillias in africa and asia that kill more effectivly and efficiantly the the wisest, most powerful martial artist. You know what makes them so good? Living, breathing, and eating war, as well as the Kalishnikov. No amount of kung fu is going to save you from a young kid with an AK.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:56 am
I'm assuming you've seen 'Lord of War' with Nicholas Cage? That movie makes me wish I was a gun runner.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:43 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee I'm assuming you've seen 'Lord of War' with Nicholas Cage? That movie makes me wish I was a gun runner. Yes, I recently did see that movie. But I've known first-hand the destructive power of a russian made assualt rifle before. Many a coffee can has been torn to shreds by me with the aid of an SKS.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:33 pm
....I wish I had an AK....
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:17 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee ....I wish I had an AK.... Norinco makes a type-56. A semi-auto variant of the AK-47. But at that point you might as well just buy a SKS, it is the same gun practicly except cheaper and it has an open bolt that allows you to clear jams easier.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:19 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee I'm assuming you've seen 'Lord of War' with Nicholas Cage? That movie makes me wish I was a gun runner. Excellent film, in my book.
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