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 Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:41 am
I don't think it should matter what your race is, but I'm sure to some people it does.
To me, it doesn't matter. I would love to see lolitas of any race. It's rare to see anyone dressed loli where I'm from. crying
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:16 pm
-C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
I don't think Lolita should be dealing with someone's nationality. Black people, white people, and other nationalities should be able to wear it without others going, "Japanese wanna-be" and "They really shouldn't wear it. It's not part of their 'culture'" or whatever.
Just like ghetto people [mostly African Americans] might say that "That Asian dude need to stick to their kimonos and stuff" or "That white guy needs to start wearing their Tommy Hilfiger, instead of trying to be black." [xD Can't spell it right], even when the person look pretty good in what their wearing.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:37 pm
Lets see from my opion it doesn't matter. Its a style defined by the clothing and designs not the person that wears them. Coming from a family with japanese siblings that do dress in lolita I always ask there opion on this and they say it doesn't matter aswell. They think its pretty cool that people across the world are dressing in the style.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:23 am
i don't think race matters. you can be the cutest japanese girl if your clothes don't match. therefore good taste and choice in clothes is most important...
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:34 pm
parfaitsama EGL Goddess JuliaPegasus EGL Goddess I'd prolly be a little ticked that these white kids keep taking my style. So shouldn't French people be ticked for the Japanese kids having taken their Victorian Style? wink Well if they still dressed like that then heck yea, but since they don't it would be kinda silly. Victorian is...from England, isn't it? o_o; usually when I see more French-esque things in loli, they come from about the 1750s, not the 1850s, which would be Victorian. I might be wrong. yes,victorian comes from englan,that's why the name (queen victoria,victorian....even though loli's are more a cross over of eras,like rococo for the "grandeur" and regency,which is early victorian when the queen was young and happy enough to use really awesome dresses *with those below the shoulder necklines,and the hairsyles with the curls and complicated braids and lacy things and those huge train skirts... god!...i'm drooling of just imaginining it*when she got married and then got to be a widow,the whole fashion scenario had changed A LOT!) basically,if you see paintings and some daguerreutypes(yes,regency pics are named like that...but i'm not sure if i'm translating it right,so...go check!) you'll see that children were commolly dressed like lolis do nowadays, the cut of the dresses is almost the same in both eras (in the rococo era,it depends of the age of the child....girls between 4/6 would change to an adult style of clothing) but the type of decór of the dresses is obviously victorian reminiscent (bows and lacy features are something that came from french tradition,but got wide usage in england) *forgive the lecture,but besides the fact i'm an hisory nerd and one of my biggest interests is fashion history,i'm now researching for my painting project wich as to do with loli's, so the info is quite fresh on my mind,heh xd * returning to the topic,i believe that japanese lolis might not accept others with great enthusiasm,but i can live with that blaugh and i agree wit the post above....if you show out taste and "finesse",you'll be an accepted loli,regardless your race or origin.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:14 pm
cloudyhead Machika Balfaltin But western Europeans look pretty similar to Americans. I mean, they don't look different enough for a Japanese person to be able to tell just by looking at them, so how does that make a difference? no, the japenese know the diffrence. they wait until the other loli's smile. ohhh my god sorry i just had to make a bad teeth european joke; i was just watching that epsoide of the simpsons where lisa gets braces and they pull out the big bookof bad british teeth. well i would think, as with all people, so lolis are cool and others are not. my bf , having lived in japan and then a frequent visitor, tells me that some kids would make fun of his brown-ness and others didnt care. the pokers were the ones who were either raised by a verry traditional family or just ones with those cocky "hes diffrent lets pick on him" frame of mind going on. i would have to think some of the same is true with one more exception. as a fashion obesessed girl i hate when others impeded on my style, i was not raised in either of those ways, i just love my sytle. im seriius about my fashion, so i would suposed there are loli's like that. and then there are just loli's who poke fun at those pitiful girls who look like clowns. keep in mind that your talking about a country, where pale is incredibly beautiful (look at geishas) that women take extreem health risks and bleach out their skin (much like michal jackson) it caused a bit of a ruckkas about a year ago, i dont rember quite as to why...so when someone with freakles comes along, not to mention a tan person..it's time to poke some fun because their not following trend and whats considered beautiful, much like overweight girls in america...well the entire world really, people see thin as being beautiful, however if you go to africa, the tables turn... for me personally, no i dont think race matters but i'm an american, just a mutt, not asian american so my oppnion wont really count as to the japanese ideas of this but from what i've learned when trying to get citizenship in japan, they still think inside the box, if your not born in japan with...i forget if it was 1 or both parents being full japanese...you cannot become a citizen, you can work there, you can live there, but you dont get the whole package
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:19 am
Considering how xenophobic the vast majority of Japanese are.. I'd say it matters to them, yes. Maybe not quite as much as, say, ten years ago it would have, but my guess is that they do roll their eyes at us silly Westerners now and then about it. I've not heard stories of actual hostility, though, towards Western Lolitas vs. Japanese Lolitas. There probably are a few. There are always biases.
I don't see that it should matter, really. If it looks cute and feels right, go for it! I mean, it isn't like there hasn't been borrowing back and forth for the past few decades, anyway.
.:boconnotto:.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:22 am
boconnotto Considering how xenophobic the vast majority of Japanese are.. I'd say it matters to them, yes. Maybe not quite as much as, say, ten years ago it would have, but my guess is that they do roll their eyes at us silly Westerners now and then about it. I've not heard stories of actual hostility, though, towards Western Lolitas vs. Japanese Lolitas. There probably are a few. There are always biases.
I don't see that it should matter, really. If it looks cute and feels right, go for it! I mean, it isn't like there hasn't been borrowing back and forth for the past few decades, anyway.
.:boconnotto:.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:58 am
Ginngi boconnotto Considering how xenophobic the vast majority of Japanese are.. I'd say it matters to them, yes. Maybe not quite as much as, say, ten years ago it would have, but my guess is that they do roll their eyes at us silly Westerners now and then about it. I've not heard stories of actual hostility, though, towards Western Lolitas vs. Japanese Lolitas. There probably are a few. There are always biases.
I don't see that it should matter, really. If it looks cute and feels right, go for it! I mean, it isn't like there hasn't been borrowing back and forth for the past few decades, anyway.
.:boconnotto:.
We are inclined to be afraid of things that we don't understand. The world is too big and there are too many stereotypes being reinforced for people to completely understand one another..
.:boconnotto:.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:39 am
boconnotto Ginngi boconnotto Considering how xenophobic the vast majority of Japanese are.. I'd say it matters to them, yes. Maybe not quite as much as, say, ten years ago it would have, but my guess is that they do roll their eyes at us silly Westerners now and then about it. I've not heard stories of actual hostility, though, towards Western Lolitas vs. Japanese Lolitas. There probably are a few. There are always biases.
I don't see that it should matter, really. If it looks cute and feels right, go for it! I mean, it isn't like there hasn't been borrowing back and forth for the past few decades, anyway.
.:boconnotto:.
We are inclined to be afraid of things that we don't understand. The world is too big and there are too many stereotypes being reinforced for people to completely understand one another..
.:boconnotto:.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:18 am
Pyrit Princess keep in mind that your talking about a country, where pale is incredibly beautiful (look at geishas) that women take extreem health risks and bleach out their skin (much like michal jackson) it caused a bit of a ruckkas about a year ago, i dont rember quite as to why...so when someone with freakles comes along, not to mention a tan person..it's time to poke some fun because their not following trend and whats considered beautiful, much like overweight girls in america...well the entire world really, people see thin as being beautiful, however if you go to africa, the tables turn... I'm sorry. I kind of took that to an offense. But not all Africans are stick-skinny, many are really beautiful with some meat on their bones. And there is poverty like that in many places OTHER than Africa. mew_mew_mi-chan I really don't think race should matter. I like Lolita's of all sorts. I'd really LOVE to see an African-American lolita. Oooo! I can be one! biggrin ...If I had the monies to buy the clothes. T3T parfaitsama Victorian is...from England, isn't it? o_o; usually when I see more French-esque things in loli, they come from about the 1750s, not the 1850s, which would be Victorian. I might be wrong. It can be from around that time, and it can be during the Victorian Era, when Queen Victoria reigned. That was like, late 1800's to the early 1900's.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:27 am
my friend is half black and half white and she makes an awesome lolita. i dont care what anyone says ;P
however in japan, I'd say race still matters.
Many people, including lolitas, discriminate you in someway if they can tell you are different. they still have jim crow laws i believe for japanese only. often times people won't serve you if they know you aren't japanese or they treat you differently/worse, the same goes if you are over a certain weight, height etc.
Me and my friends went to a few live shows and we got attacked by the crazed lolitas who though we were stealing their attention from the bands(yes imagine these tiny little things in baby the stars shien bright and emily temple cute digging their claws into you and kicking you with their baby boots) it happens. My firned was halfblack.halfwhite, i was probably the tallest person at the live in my shoes (6ft), and my other friend had a impressive rack >__> hehehe.
Though on the other hand this isn't everyone and some lolitas aren very nice and welcoming and ask you lots of questions and are excited because they know you are a foreigner etc. Me and my friends got really good treatment when we went but we know first hand of situations of people we know who get treated very differently for the worse for how they look. though keep in mind this isnt everyone and a lot of people are still very nice. uhm yeah... ._.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:49 pm
Personally If I went to Japan and someone got mad at me for wearing Loli I'd just ignore them.
Those being rude just because my dress cost under $100 and I'm not asain are just snobs!
Kana makes her own clothes too!
Also, That'd be like us getting angry at them for wearing gangoru and North American fashions. I wouldn't get mad at an asian girl for wearing AE, so what would give her the right to be mad at me?
My point is, ignore those who are rude to you.
No matter what you're wearing, no matter where you go, no one ever has the right to treat you poorly!
(I doubt many lolis would though, being purposly mean is very un loli-like)
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