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 Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:39 am
I think we should focus less on if it's a sin or not and more on the person commitint it and try to help them because if they are trying to kill themselves they don't care if it's a sin or not and they probably have some deep spiritual problems
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:52 pm
immortal_souls1 I think we should focus less on if it's a sin or not and more on the person commitint it and try to help them because if they are trying to kill themselves they don't care if it's a sin or not and they probably have some deep spiritual problems true but, if a christian person is suicidal and knows weather or not it is a sin, it helps.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:30 pm
xXSnuffXx immortal_souls1 I think we should focus less on if it's a sin or not and more on the person commitint it and try to help them because if they are trying to kill themselves they don't care if it's a sin or not and they probably have some deep spiritual problems true but, if a christian person is suicidal and knows weather or not it is a sin, it helps. exactly. If someone actually thinks that there is nothing wrong with drugs, what's to stop them? I mean, I think it's great that someone who values God's input in their lives thinks about these things...
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:54 pm
i think, like most things, it can really depend on the situation. if you just think about killing yourself over going bankrupt or loosing a spouse or such, it's depression and the suicidal needs help. but lets say this person is terminaly ill, going to die pretty soon anyways, and is constant pain. i think in such a case death would be a mercy. sometimes when a person dies, it's really a releif. but for the most part suicide is pretty much a sin. killing is a sin, right? life is a precious gift from God and needs to be cherished above the petty things in this life. even taking one's own life is still killing, so i think it's a sin.
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:52 pm
A commandment is "Thou shall not kill" One who commits homoside and is later in his life saved, is fine. His sin is washed away. But suicide is still murder... and once you die and that sin is now on your soul, you cannot do anything about it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:09 pm
Maki Doi A commandment is "Thou shall not kill" One who commits homoside and is later in his life saved, is fine. His sin is washed away. But suicide is still murder... and once you die and that sin is now on your soul, you cannot do anything about it. Makes sense *nods sagely* BTW. I love that Psalms verse in your sig Maki Doi biggrin *takes note* That's tru Snuff, If someone knows that something is a transgression against God they'll think twice. And for one thing, consider the definition of sin. Do you notice that everything that God deems as a sin is something that can hurt us? or results in death in the long run? God tells us to obey Him not for His benefit, but for ours. Like a parent who tells their kid not to stick a metal fork in an electric outlet. God hates it when we hurt ourselves. Jeez... humans are so prone to self destruction now that I think about it. sweatdrop That's the nature of the flesh that Paul writes about in the NT. The two warring sides, the Holy-Spirit guided half that wants to obey and love God and do the right thing, then the worldy carnal side that embraces sin at every whim for the shorterm rush. Walk in the Spirit yo surprised Salt+Light
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:58 pm
Very true, Tazi. And thanks. It's my favorite Psalm. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:05 pm
Rowena Marion xXSnuffXx immortal_souls1 I think we should focus less on if it's a sin or not and more on the person commitint it and try to help them because if they are trying to kill themselves they don't care if it's a sin or not and they probably have some deep spiritual problems true but, if a christian person is suicidal and knows weather or not it is a sin, it helps. exactly. If someone actually thinks that there is nothing wrong with drugs, what's to stop them? I mean, I think it's great that someone who values God's input in their lives thinks about these things... But are all things that are wrong a sin? Lying is a sin, but I don't think that God thought the people who lied to protect Jews in WWII were wrong. I know this is a different thing completely, but I'm trying to make a point. Suicide is an awful thing, but it is the result of a condition of depression, usually. We shouldn't remember people who commit suicide as bad because they did so, but we should remember them and feel bad that they had had such a difficult time that they felt forced to do such a thing. Even if it is a sin, if they see God after death and repent, I'm sure they will end up in Heaven. I think, though, that no one is in Hell. I think that people would see their errors and repent to God, and that God would forgive them. Judas committed suicide, but I think that he was remorseful and was so forgiven and is sitting up in Heaven right now.
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:19 pm
Vadadaca Rowena Marion xXSnuffXx immortal_souls1 I think we should focus less on if it's a sin or not and more on the person commitint it and try to help them because if they are trying to kill themselves they don't care if it's a sin or not and they probably have some deep spiritual problems true but, if a christian person is suicidal and knows weather or not it is a sin, it helps. exactly. If someone actually thinks that there is nothing wrong with drugs, what's to stop them? I mean, I think it's great that someone who values God's input in their lives thinks about these things... But are all things that are wrong a sin? Lying is a sin, but I don't think that God thought the people who lied to protect Jews in WWII were wrong. I know this is a different thing completely, but I'm trying to make a point. Suicide is an awful thing, but it is the result of a condition of depression, usually. We shouldn't remember people who commit suicide as bad because they did so, but we should remember them and feel bad that they had had such a difficult time that they felt forced to do such a thing. Even if it is a sin, if they see God after death and repent, I'm sure they will end up in Heaven. I think, though, that no one is in Hell. I think that people would see their errors and repent to God, and that God would forgive them. Judas committed suicide, but I think that he was remorseful and was so forgiven and is sitting up in Heaven right now. If that's so then that defeats the whole purpose considering what the Bible has to say about sin. *pushes glases up on nose* If people can then just repent after they die then it all doesn't make sense anymore, Christ coming to the cross, rising again. And the people who repented while they were still alive, it will amount to nothing. Then all the rewards in heaven that Christ was talking about aren't there. The Bible says that liars, thieves, adulterers, murderers, extortioners, sexually immoral, revilers, and the like will not enter the Kingdom of God and it's repeated over and over in other books and chapters in the Gospel. *besides, what would heaven be like if it was full of people like that? Wouldn't be what was intended...* (I Corinthians 6.9-11.) Christ said the only way to the Father is through Him. A lot of people believe they can just say sorry at the last minute and it breeds some serious complacency and unrepentant lifestyles. It's a deadly lie from the devil himself and he traps a lot of people that way. We don't talk about sin for the sake of looking down on people and labeling who and who is bad or whatever. According to the Bible we're ALL bad that's why we need to be right with God through His Son Jesus Christ. God does not and can not dwell around sin, He will not tolerate it because He is pure and Holy. God layed out the plan in the Bible and shows it to us and says, "Here's the deal..." John 3.16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Repentance isn't just feeling really sorry for what you did... and then you just go back and do it again. It's GODLY SORROW and a complete change of the direction that you're life is going in. When you repent, you turn over the controls to God and let Him drive. He changes your heart inside out when you receive His Spirit after you accept Christ. Some people are really puffed up with pride however and sometimes it takes a disaster to break them down and humble them. God exalts the humble and lowers the haughty to humility. In Corinthians it says that God literally creates within you a new heart and you're a new creature all together. Suicide's another one, and so is low self-esteem, self-mutilation, and any form of self-destructive behaviour. It's all the devil's effort to keep people from reaching the potential that God created them for. According to the Bible, God gives you the chance over and over until the day you die to come to Him. Some people have accepted Him on their deathbed. ANd look how available the Gospel is... Bibles are common and they're given away fro free, there's a church on every street corner, there are Christians serving God everyday by speading the Gospel and loving others the way He would have them, and the missionary efforts overseas are mindblowing... Millions of people...and global broadcasting of the Gospel on 43 satellitess launched by TBN. (But that's another story) God uses those who serve Him to reach others with His love by feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, you name it. wink Once you're snatched into eternity, there's nothing you can do after that. Now, when we are here and alive, God gives us the choice to choose who we will serve, Him or the devil. Only the Righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God. I've heard of the age we're living in now referred to as "The Church Age" or the "Age of Grace". This is the time to choose. Thoughts? Questions? Concerns? 3nodding (I have a bad habit going off topic but I hope this helped in any way lol)
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:12 pm
I'd say suicide is a sin. I heard from an old teacher of mine that it's a very selfish thing to do, and I agree with that the more I think about it.
People commit suicide - why? Because they want to escape their pain and their problems, and they don't care about what others think. They are too wrapped up in their own emotional battles that they can't think of the hurt and pain that they will cause others if they kill themselves.
(Yes, I italicized the "theys" and "theirs" for a reason - see how many times the "I" factor is involved?)
I have a friend who went through a most difficult time after her best friend commited suicide. What can you even say to comfort someone at a time like that? Saying "I'm so sorry" and "I'll be praying for you" can be so cliche, it's maddening. That isn't what she wanted to hear. In fact, all she wanted to hear was her friend's voice again... But she couldn't...
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:03 pm
About what Tazi said (I won't quote it because it would take up a lot of space), I didn't mean people who actualy plan their lives out like that. I certainly don't think it's right to just live in sin and think "I'll go to heaven on a deathbed repentance." I believe we should live the best we can, as God wants us to. Because God is so holy and good, though, I think that anyone in God's direct presence would be filled with it. They would be truly sorrowful and filled with despair because of what they had done, but would be so engulfed in the joy and love of God, that they would be forgiven and would be allowed into heaven. I certainly don't think that Jesus died for nothing. That's just plain wrong.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:41 pm
Vadadaca About what Tazi said (I won't quote it because it would take up a lot of space), I didn't mean people who actualy plan their lives out like that. I certainly don't think it's right to just live in sin and think "I'll go to heaven on a deathbed repentance." I believe we should live the best we can, as God wants us to. Because God is so holy and good, though, I think that anyone in God's direct presence would be filled with it. They would be truly sorrowful and filled with despair because of what they had done, but would be so engulfed in the joy and love of God, that they would be forgiven and would be allowed into heaven. I certainly don't think that Jesus died for nothing. That's just plain wrong. Oh sry, sweatdrop that's how it came across anywho lol. Tru, God tells us what to do in His Word. Like love others and love Him with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength-- we can't do this on our own power tho, it's God that gives us love, grace, patience, etc. through His Spirit. Like me? He changed my heart so much... I used to be grudgeful, tempermental, do dhameful things, I used to have self esteem issues, but when I repented just early this year He lifted it all off of me, all the guilt and the shame, it felt like a weight lifted off of my shoulders and after that my sleep is sweet biggrin And the abilty to just love and respect people in the most sincere way (Agape love), man I never want to lose that... And He gave me back innocence, the same innocence that I had when I was four years old! lol I used to be all withdrawn and stuff and now I just talk to people and associate with them freely ^^. What you see is what you get, an open book, I have nothing to hide besides my naked butt. This may sound wierd, but a couple years ago I used to get so miserable and depressed with my family situations, that my thoughts would even border a bit on suicide too... But God showed me my purpose, shows everyone their purpose in His Word. When I learned that we are warriors, kings, and priests onto Christ, that helped to totally smash my self esteem issues. I learned to look at myself the way God sees me. heart Ba! There Taz goes, rambling again....lol
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:09 pm
Tazi Ba! There Taz goes, rambling again....lol It's alright, Taz....I like it when you ramble. Somehow, your rambling is in coherent thoughts....mine's fragments....and currently fragments in two different languages....too much french homework, Oui?
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:10 pm
Rowena Marion Tazi Ba! There Taz goes, rambling again....lol It's alright, Taz....I like it when you ramble. Somehow, your rambling is in coherent thoughts....mine's fragments....and currently fragments in two different languages....too much french homework, Oui? Thanks Row. eek Your thoughts switch to French?! *cracks up*
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:18 pm
Tazi Rowena Marion Tazi Ba! There Taz goes, rambling again....lol It's alright, Taz....I like it when you ramble. Somehow, your rambling is in coherent thoughts....mine's fragments....and currently fragments in two different languages....too much french homework, Oui? Thanks Row. eek Your thoughts switch to French?! *cracks up* yeah, it's pretty dang entertaining....I'm conjugating irregular verbs in my dreams now...... sweatdrop
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