Welcome to Gaia! ::

By that logic, no girl under 18 should be allowed to get an abortion, because:


The twelve year old might very well regret the abortion and be scarred for life. Yet we don't bar her from an abortion. It's her body and her choice. We leave it legal for anyone that wants/needs an abortion, for that reason.

Now, with sex, we should make it legal also. Not every 12 year old girl is going to go out and ******** fourty year olds. But if they want to, it's their bodies and their choices. Bodily Domain for the win.

I'm pro-sexual liberation. It's only nature, no matter how you look at it.

My exact feelings on the matter.

In any debate on abortion, people should already be aware that the two sides are Pro-(Fetal-)Life and Pro-Choice(-to-Get-a-Legal-Abortion-or-Not). I feel that using these two "pro" terms is allowing neither side to have the advantage of being the "pro" side while the other is seen only as being against something.

My sister said something wise, and rather funny on the issue:


I just feel that the term "Anti-Choice" is first meant to offend, and cast Pro-Lifers in a negative light, rather than just describe their side's feelings on the topic. So it offends me, and I'm willing to tell people that it offends me, and why (I feel it is disrespectful), though I don't expect anyone to stop using whatever term they prefer just because I happen to find it offensive.

I see the difference, but either way you're making an attempt to look better than the other person.

Hrm, interjecting, concerning statutory rape and sex between minors and adults, I'm kind of divided on that.

If the minor seeks a relationship with an older person, while completely consenting, with no coercion from said older person, and well aware of what they're going into, I feel that they can choose to pursue such a relationship.

Even though that's a really Ew thought. I'm fricken 15, and I feel that pretty much everyone around me at school isn't ready for sex, let alone with an adult.

HOWEVER, I feel that adults should not be able to pursue a relationship with a minor. You don't take advantage of mentally deficient people sexually. You don't take advantage of the trust of a child, who doesn't know what he/she is getting into. If said mentally deficient person indicates that they would really like to get into a relationship with you, that's an entire other matter, but legalizing/allowing adults to pursue relationships with minors makes it incredibly easy for ***** to take advantage of children, especially if it's say, children of a friend, or suchlike that they would have a great deal of contact with.

A 12 year old gets to make the choice by the simple fact that she will be the one to give birth, and if she doesn't want to, she doens't have to. She makes the choice. We don't recommend say, parents/clergy/friends to manipulate her into a choice that really isn't what she wants. Same goes for relationships. If it's what the kid wants, it's somewhat permissable (and should be investigated for surety). If it's just coercion from the adult, then it's not.

I edited this. I found it very much akin to my POV.

That's pure speculation, and you know it. How can you possibly know that any amount of pro-choicers support AOC laws, and at the same time support allowing a teenage girl to have an abortion?

You might think that you're able to make sound decisions about sex, but minors your age, older than you and younger than you cannot. I think that their protection is much more important than some paraphilia-afflicted adult's "right" to have sex with a child.

There are some medical services for which a minor does not need his/her parent's consent. Abortion is one of them.



Pro-choice refers to abortion and, to some extent, right to die. You should know that. That's like saying pro-lifers aren't truly pro-life because they aren't strict vegetarians.



Want to have sex with the pretty lady who's passed out? Go ahead. It's your choice, right?

I strongly doubt that you are a "true pro-choicer." Too much permissiveness is dangerous.

Your post is one big strawman. At least, the first two parts that I quoted are.

Come on. Don't be stupid on purpose. That's a violation of the man's BD.


1) I'm for changing those laws. A good way to get a law changed is breaking them. Do you think that abortion being outlawed meant you should just stand back and "not break your country's laws"? No. Change was needed.

2) She clearly defines her own stance with her own statements. I'm just pointing it out.

3) It's not rape if both sides are willing. And don't say that I'm un able to give consent, because that's ******** bullshit.

4) How about this line? Rape- forcing someone to have sex against their will- is illegal. That sounds good to me.

Would it kill you to stop using the logical fallacies?

You said that it's a violation of her BD not to let her put whatever she wants inside of her body. Prove it.



1. So, if I want murder to be legal I should run around killing people? By your logic, I should be able to break whichever law I please because I don't like it.

It isn't going to get the laws changed, it's just going to get you arrested. The cops don't give a ******** about why you committed the crime.

2. No, you're saying she's not pro-choice because her mind isn't so open that her brain is falling out.

3. I don't care about YOU. In case you hadn't noticed, it's not about YOU. AOC laws aren't there to inconvience and vex you.

I care about the nine-year-old who gets conned and manipulated into thinking she wants it by some 40-year-old. Prove that a minor is able to consent to sex or concede.

4. Against their will. Also means "without their consent." Minors cannot give consent.



The line has to be drawn somewhere. Would you prefer thirty?



Shows what you know.

Ever heard of someone contracting a fatal disease from having an abortion? Besides those four or five women who died after taking the pill, m-something or other. I think far more people contract lethal illnesses (and illnesses that aren't lethal, but do have permanent effects like sterility) from having sex than they do abortion. I would wager that more people die from STIs (indirectly, from having sex) than from abortion.


No. You know that's nothing to do with anything.

What, that abortion and the right to die have nothing to do with being pro-choice?

You KNOW the term pro-choice refers to the stance on abortion and (to an extent) human euthanasia.



Ohhh. See, you didn't say anything about the other person having to be able to consent. I figured, since you support raping children, y'know...



I doubt that are a "true" pro-choicer as per your... "definition" of pro-choice. There will always be some choice that someone made that you will object to.