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 Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:27 pm
Joselle`Stark That's what I was trying to convey -- if the money's there to do it already, then integration should work okay. Otherwise, a separate school's no big deal. Aaah, ok, I must have misunderstood and used your post to jump off into my own rant wink Happens all the time. I hope you forgive me! Joselle`Stark In my area, all of the comprehensive highschools have daycare and "family life" classes for stuff like balancing a checkbook, getting a job, and basic childcare. Honestly, I think that "family life" classes should be a core subject. Everyone should learn to cook, balance a checkbook, resume and interview skills, basic childcare (though this can receive less emphasis since there are often free classes on this subject for expectant mothers), and how to do simple stitches. These are facts of life. These are skills that we ALL need, whether we go on to college or to McDonalds. Unlike science, english, history, and so forth, a course like this is something that will be invaluable for EVERYONE. I wasn't too fond of home ec (we did sowing) when I was in school - mostly because only the girls had to take it. But now, I am extremely glad I was forced to take that class. When our pants rip, we save a great deal of money stitching them up instead of having to buy a new pair. With all the wear and tear clothing can get, I imagine we'd be broke if we hadn't had the skills to save money on little things like that. Joselle`Stark As for the nurse thing, I went to a magnet highschool for health sciences and engineering -- there were 6 RN's teaching classes, so technically we had a nurse on duty at all times. Major weird case/exception to the rule, I know. Well, A nurse should be on duty at all times. Things happen in schools. People get beaten up. People get hurt in shop class. People have accidents. She doesn't have to be a fully trained doctor, but at least be able to triage out those who need to go to the hospital or be sent home from those who just need an aspirin and a firm handshake. But we're talking about something different wink
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:28 pm
Our school nurse is only there three days of the week >.<.
And personally, I'm really interested in academic classes, and I hate gym, but there's a three semester requirement for that... of Home Ec [or whatever it's called...] was a core I'd be so bored >.<. Although you're right; those skills should be mandatory.
I live in an area where the population is highly muslim, and all those girls take either home ec or jewelery or cosmetics... and there's a cooking class I think and there's another class that teaches parenting... and a lot of the girls are parents, too, married in high school... but I don't know where they go for the time they take to have their babies... there was a girl in my french class who has a daughter... but I digress; those are the classes with the babies that cry and you have to do all the parenting things, etc... they aren't required and personally I'd rather take Sociology, Psychology, History, Literature, French... but your point is valid.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:39 pm
GreenSouthpaw personally I'd rather take Sociology, Psychology, History, Literature, French... but your point is valid. Like I said, I would have prefered those classes too. But like I said (and yes, I know you agree with me. I just have a terrible condition that makes me unable to know when you let go wink ), Sociology, Psychology, and such are only relevent for SOME people and only helpful for SOME people. Whereas home ec is universal.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:50 pm
My school has a daycare. We have all those family life classes and such, and you have to have a half a semester of personal finance classes before you can graduate. We don't share textbooks, and almost all of ours (sparing my algebra two book, they don't buy those often because not many kids here ever take algebra two) are shiny and new. And I live in a small, almost completely conservative town. Weird, eh?
The daycare is run by students taking "Preschool Teaching Assistant" classes. "Students will learn child develpment theories and health and safety tecniques as well as how to develop age-appropriate learning activities for children ages 2-5. The student will begin a professional portfolio necessary for national certification. Students will also be responsible for helping to operate the *** Child Care/Preschool Facility." And then the second year of this class gives you the hours necessary for this certification, which is recognized in 48 states. It seems like a good program to me, young mothers have a place to put their kids and people wanting to care for the kids get to do so, and get rewarded for it. I wasn't aware that other highschools -didn't- have daycares.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:01 pm
Razornova We don't share textbooks, and almost all of ours (sparing my algebra two book, they don't buy those often because not many kids here ever take algebra two) are shiny and new. And I live in a small, almost completely conservative town. Weird, eh? Not particularly. Different schools have different budgets - depending on the amount collected in taxes in that district, the number of students, the rate of pay for teachers in that district, the condition of the building and the frequency with which it needs repairs, and a whole host of other little factors that add up. Razornova I wasn't aware that other highschools -didn't- have daycares. The first High School I went to didn't at all. The second only did after I petitioned the principle to start one and worked with her to set it up. It wasn't so much a "day care" as it was passing the one baby we had (so far) around seniors and teachers who were responsible enough, capable, and willing to care for him. By the time I left, however, we had more babies on the way (two, including one belonging to the administrative secretary) and I believe a permanent day care provider was being hired.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:35 pm
Kukushka Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. I have a problem with that. Ok, personal story time. Gather 'round, children! We had a retarded girl in my school. She was extremely retarded. I don't mean "she couldn't read none too good." I mean this girl needed a nurse by her side all the time so that she wouldn't walk into walls and try to eat chalkfrom the blackboards. The girl was a danger to herself and, on more than one occasion, she showed herself to be a danger to the other students. Her parents decided that they wanted her to have a "normal" life anyway. So they sued the school board until they allowed her into "normal" classes and so forth. But, as I said, she needed 24hour nurse supervision. So the school board had to pay for that. I don't know if you know how much it costs to keep a fully qualified nurse on staff all day, but I can tell you that it's quite a bit. To pay for it, the school board took money from other areas. As a result, we had to share textbooks in English class. Our Biology textbooks were so dated that those not falling apart too much to be read at all were filled in dated information. The special classes for advanced students (such as the AP courses) had to be shut down. The sports teams had to use balls that couldn't hold air, nets full of holes, and all the rest. In short, my school experience there was horrible. EVERYONE suffered because of one girl's special needs. These special needs were not her fault, and I understand that. But supporting her sacrificed the education of all the other students there. My point is that if the school district has extra money to spend, or receives a special grant from the local government, then yes - I totally support having integrated schools. If, on the other hand, doing so would harm the educational value for all the other children there, then no, I disagree. Obviously, there are levels of harm. Installing wheelchair ramps is one thing. Having to restructure the entire school to accomodate a minority of students is quite another. This is a prime example of bad selfishness. The nurse probably costed your school somewhere around 30k a year. The special ed kids at my school are kinda sequestered in their own part of the building... Some of them are well enough (I think their problems aren't related to their intelligence level; they're special ed because they have learning disorders, behavioural problems, etc) to be in other parts of the school and you can't really tell. We have a daycare centre... it's in the community centre that's attached to the school. Some of our equipment is OK, some of it is in really bad shape though (like some of our novels. We have several copies of books that are in terrible shape. In sophomore year, my copy of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest essentially fell apart). Some of it is new. Last year, we had to let our nurse lady who did a lot of work with pregnant and parenting teens go because her grant ran out. The school paid her salary to finish the year, but they can't afford to keep her on beyond that.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:18 pm
Razornova I wasn't aware that other highschools -didn't- have daycares. I like your town already, it seem to care more about children than the schools that I've attended. My current high school doesn't have a daycare. Hell, the administration can't even be bothered to treat its enrolled students with respect. stare Where do you live? I'm moving.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:25 pm
My school is quite small and has no daycare, but education is getting low funding in BC right now. ******** Olympics...
But anyway, BC requires everyone to take a course in grade 10 called Planning 10, where you learn money management and al that. They used to have Career and Personal Planning 11 and 12, but condensed it into one year. Hell, I think the Planning courses in my school are every other day, one day planning the next day PE.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:19 pm
I don't think ours has a daycare center or anything along those lines either. A'course, with education funding being slashed, and No Child Left Behind being pushed so hard by the gov, any and all money goes to try and further education. In our art class last year, my teacher (who is one of the most awesome teachers I have ever had in my entire life) had to dip into his own money to help pay for some of the supplies, and to give some of the students discounts on stuff. In middle school, one day, the front half of my spanish book fell out, and a day later, the latter half fell out too. I had to tape over nearly the entire thing with packaging tape to keep it held together. That was the state of some of my textbooks. I highly doubt our school could further afford say, another building, and staff to manage a daycare center.
Though to be honest, I haven't seen/don't know anyone who is pregnant at my school.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:36 pm
Reinna Astarel In our art class last year, my teacher (who is one of the most awesome teachers I have ever had in my entire life) had to dip into his own money to help pay for some of the supplies That happened in my husband's High School as well. Reinna Astarel Though to be honest, I haven't seen/don't know anyone who is pregnant at my school. Just because I'm a smartass: Maybe that's because there is no money to provide the facilities they need, so they go to these special schools?
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:43 am
PersephoneMediocris Aiko_Kaida It seems like the only way pro-life people are willing to get rid of or reduce abortion is by making it illegal. Don't they realize that the only way abortion can really be reduced is by making it less necessary? If teenage girls didn't have to choose between school or motherhood then maybe more of them wouldn't feel like they needed to have an abortion. I'm totally pro-choice, but I think it's absolutly horrible that so many women feel like they have to have an abortion because of their education level or socioeconomic status. If the pro-lifers really want to reduce abortion they need to: *Stop calling unwed mothers sluts/whores/sinners etc. *Support the mother and child beyond pregnancy *Support social programs that help young mothers get an education so that they can earn a living wage *Support research and education in birth control *Adopt all those babies they keep asking women to give up (I'm planning on adopting one or more depending on my financial situation). I completely agree! If abortion is so horrible why aren't they part of the solution instead of part of the problem? Because they have it all backwards. They think, if they outlaw abortion, people will stop having sex because they'll figure "I don't have an easy way out anymore, I'll have to take responsibility if I have sex!" No more sex, no more need for birth control and programs for unwed mothers. They believe safe, legal abortions are the problem instead of the solution.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:46 am
Toga! Toga! I am totally in support of that. I support any program that helps a woman in regards to pregnancy and childcare issues for either side of the abortion debate. Perhaps this will take away another reason for girls to get an abortion if they wouldn't have one otherwise. But for what reason could you possibly be against that? "Oh, you consented to sex, so now you must deal with the consequences of a child ( scream ) without any way of making teh situation better for you or your children?" WTF? More like, "You had sex, now you must be punished by having a really hard time finishing high school by going to a regular public school while juggling taking care of your child and making money to support you and the baby! Or drop out and try making a living without a high school diploma! You deserve it, you slut!"
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:49 am
Kukushka I am pro-CHOICE. Not pro-"choose this because it's your only option, lawl." The only reason a woman should get an abortion, imo, is if she WANTS AN ABORTION. Not because she's too poor to raise a child. Not because her parents will kick her out and she will have to live in the streets if she is found pregnant. Not because her boyfriend told her to. Only because SHE WANTS TO - totally free from all outside influence. Obviously, a time when this is possible is very far off (if even possible). But this is what I want, this is what I support. Contrary to pro-life belief, I am not some psycho who just gets off on knowing that "babies" are being killed and gives a chuckle every time a woman is forced to abort a baby she wanted because she is too poor and severely regrets having to do it. Exactly, and these schools will mean that fewer girls will get abortions because they feel like they have to. A lot of girls feel like they have to get abortions because school is an issue, and these schools remove that outside influence. Of course, then money may be more of an issue, because I think these schools cost money. I'm not sure though.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:53 am
PersephoneMediocris Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. The only problem is some girls don't like it when their classmates call them sluts in school and treat them like they have the plague. The seperation is to protect the girls from being hurt by their peers. Teenagers can be very cruel and that sort of thing can scar a person for life. Right. And it's not like we're segregating them. Teenage mothers are free to attend public schools, it would just be a little harder because of childcare. It's just like schools for gay kids. They don't have to go there, but have things that some gay kids want: a safe environment, and support from their peers.
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:58 am
Kukushka PersephoneMediocris Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. The only problem is some girls don't like it when their classmates call them sluts in school and treat them like they have the plague. The seperation is to protect the girls from being hurt by their peers. Teenagers can be very cruel and that sort of thing can scar a person for life. I can understand both your points and I think they both have legitimacy. On the one hand, you can consider the girl who is scarred for life by being ripped away from all her friends and thrust into a completely new environment. Being so far removed from the daily experiences of her friends, they quickly lose contact and she finds herself totally alone. Of course, she is going to be completely removed from the experiences of her friends by having a baby. I have heard time and time again of new moms just completely changing who their friends are because their old friends simply couldn't relate to where their lives currently are. And, being in a special school surrounded by girls in a similar situation, can actually give them much more supportive friendships. I think that everyone reacts to separation or not-separation differently. I think that just as many girls would react very badly to being separated from their friends and what they know as would rejoice in being separated from the attitudes of classmates who do not and cannot understand what they are going through. On the other hand, going to school with other teenage mothers can be a very positve thing. All the girls are in the same boat, so there's more support from your peers. It would be hypocritical for one student to call another student a "slut" because they all got pregnant. Girls may be seperated from their school friends, but they can still stay in touch. it may not be the same, but it's still something. Besides, a girl can feel seperated from their friends just by being pregnant alone, especially if her "friends" are ultra-conservative, Mary Pure Bible-thumpers who turn on her for having sex and getting pregnant.
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