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 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:21 pm
A political statement? well we knwo where your coming from now. But that dosn't always mean its not necesarry to kill a killer. Some times its not a political statment, some times its doen to protect scociety as a hole. Some times these men and women commet crimes so heinous that death is the only way to pay back the debt they owe.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:18 pm
It is a political statement trying to protect people from being killed?
I seriously have to disagree sometimes violence, war, and even death are necessary. Wish it weren't so but it is. We may have a small chance to overturn roe v. wade, however its been thirty years since it first happened, and since then millions have been killed. Is it alright to sit back and just let it happen?
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:35 pm
murder is still murder, regardless
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:26 pm
Murder is only murder when not government sanctioned. Executions are not murder. And when you look at the greater scheme of things, killing a single person who posses a mortal threat to thousands, if nto million, is not murder, its a public service.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:26 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle Murder is only murder when not government sanctioned. Executions are not murder. And when you look at the greater scheme of things, killing a single person who posses a mortal threat to thousands, if nto million, is not murder, its a public service.
It's easy to say "Oh, some people DESERVE to die", and I don't get that.
We, as people who are against abortion, say that you shouldn't be able to decide when to end the life of another based on your personal morals. How is killing somone any different, no matter what they've done?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:58 am
Murder is only murder when not government sanctioned. I have no idea how to make this clearer.
No Mcphee. I never beleived that. I beleive you can't decide what to do with an INNOCENT life. A life on the other hand that has commited crimes, or taken the life of another I beleive needs to strippe dof certain or all rgihts.
I don't beleive you should kill som eone base don your morals. I do feel how ever feel death is necesary inorder to protect scociety as a hole. If oyu have a person who has killed, says they will kill again, and rehab ain't worken. Then its time to cut them off from scociety and life so they can never continue such a heinous crime.
Life is precious, that much is true. But not all life is innocent.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:07 am
This is a tough question for me. On one hand, I don't condone these clinic bombers, I'm really a pacifist at heart. On the other hand... Was the Civil War not justified? Was it not justified to kill people to keep other people from being treated as property, and less then human? If the Civil War was justified, then wouldn't a phyisical, actual war against abortion be justified? A second Civil War?
I don't know, but it keeps me up at night sometimes. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:28 am
slavery was an afterthought. again, the civil war was primarily for money, territory and power.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:50 am
o.O That doesn't make all that much sense. If slavery was an afterthought, and the money, territory, and power were the focus, the smart thing to do would have been to make slavery legal. Then people wouldn't have had to die to get back the Confederates.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:27 am
Clearly we disagree Pyro.
I'm pro-ALL life. Including criminals, including Afghans, including rapists.
We don't need to kill people. There is NOTHING that someone can do that will make me think they don't deserve to have the only thing that they can have-- their life.
That's all someone has, sometimes. Why would you take that from them?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:35 am
WatersMoon110 ..Le Chat du Noir.. I personally speak out against ELF and ALF and whatever other -LF there are. I believe that me being vegan and animal rights and speaking out against them is a very effective tool in convincing people that we aren't just "LOLMG MEAT IS MURDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneoneone!" I think that the small minority of clinic bombers are mostly imprisioned/exectuted (now that is an irony there: they were killed for killing people who they saw as killers). That is very ironic. I don't see the point of bombing people if your against killing unless for self-denfece and even then some won't do that then. I don't think there is many people that do that (or haddn't heard anything like that for a long time. ALF and ELF are weird and some of the things they do don't make alot of sense.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:01 am
I.Am o.O That doesn't make all that much sense. If slavery was an afterthought, and the money, territory, and power were the focus, the smart thing to do would have been to make slavery legal. Then people wouldn't have had to die to get back the Confederates. we didn't want them to leave, that would decrease our numbers and make us a smaller country. we wanted territory and power. they wanted to make thier own country. we stepped in and said "no, you'll belong to us" they said "no we won't", and the fight began. the war was to force the confederates to stay a part of the united states. although the north was for more noble causes like abolition of slavery, the primary focus of the war was to keep america a single, powerful country.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:42 am
sachiko_sohma WatersMoon110 I think that the small minority of clinic bombers are mostly imprisioned/exectuted (now that is an irony there: they were killed for killing people who they saw as killers). That is very ironic. I don't see the point of bombing people if your against killing unless for self-denfece and even then some won't do that then. I don't think there is many people that do that (or haddn't heard anything like that for a long time. Clinic bombings still happen, though seldom, but are no longer seen as national news. I don't know if I could kill anyone, though I most likely would greatly harm anyone who attacked me or one of my friends. I think that bombing something, be it a clinic or a government building or what-have-you is never the correct way to go about things. It is nice to know that just about everyone agrees with this statement.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:11 pm
Pyro, no one in this guild is an innocent life.
We're all sinners.
Some sins are worse than others, but they are sins, nonetheless. The moment we start to think and reason, and the moment we can choose between waiting until supper versus eating that cookie on the counter, and the moment we build our internal conscience - we are sinners.
Mcphee's right. All life is precious.
As for rapists, serial killers, and criminals?
Those people hold no regard for human life. They do not love or respect human life.
If they die, they won't give a flying ********. Example? Suicide bombers.
If they die, they won't have to live with guilt. They won't have to live with the knowlege of the disgusting nature of what they have done.
We should pay for our mistakes. For our sins.
If they are killed, even if it's a government-sanctioned killing, you're denying them of that chance to repent, grieve, or dwell in guilt.
@I.Am: I despise war. No matter what it does in the end.
I also care about the middle, and the beginning. It kills people. It ends life. Any forms of life.
The outcome? Amazing. The cost? Also, amazing.
I feel that there could have been other ways to approach the situation before we turned into animals and started clawing at our brothers' faces.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:16 pm
divineseraph I.Am o.O That doesn't make all that much sense. If slavery was an afterthought, and the money, territory, and power were the focus, the smart thing to do would have been to make slavery legal. Then people wouldn't have had to die to get back the Confederates. we didn't want them to leave, that would decrease our numbers and make us a smaller country. we wanted territory and power. they wanted to make thier own country. we stepped in and said "no, you'll belong to us" they said "no we won't", and the fight began. the war was to force the confederates to stay a part of the united states. although the north was for more noble causes like abolition of slavery, the primary focus of the war was to keep america a single, powerful country. You completely misunderstood what I said. What I said was, if we had made slavery legal, then there would have been no problems. The South would have stayed with the Union, there would have been no civil war, there would have been no bloodshed, except slave blood. We knew that war was coming for a long time as the North fought with the South about slavery. So, I say again, if slavery was only the "face" of the war, the honorable excuse, then why the hell did we even fight it? @Ebony: Actually, we tried very hard to solve it democratically. But when the South realized that we were going to make slavery illegal, or put restrictions on them, they decided they would rather be their own nation with slavery then part of the US without. That's why we fought the Civil War; Yes, because we wanted to be a whole country, yes, because we would be less powerful divided, but also because slavery had to be illegal.
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