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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:06 pm
Kukushka ..Le Chat du Noir.. WHAT? Advocate of religious rights and freedoms. Yeah, as long as that religion is Christianity for her, that is. "I advocate religious rights and freedoms... as long as those religions are all my brand of ********. *I* advocate religious rights and freedoms. *I* strongly support that everyone be able to believe their own beliefs free from interference from the chosen religion of those with power. She, however, is NOT advocating religious rights and freedoms. She is advocating that HER religion have SUPREMACY, which is not the same thing. *standing. ********. ovation.* Oxymoronic Username Anyone else losing hope in the human race? As we speak. Deformogrpahy The thing that scares me about democracy is that, in a country where the overwhelming majority of people are Christian, the people could effectively vote to turn the nation into a theocracy (which, many prominent Christians think that America is a theocracy, soo....). Scares the s**t out of me, too. This country is 70% Christian, and while in my generation it seems like there are more atheists, agnostics, and people opposed to imposing their moraliity on others, there are still a LOT of conservative Christians.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:48 pm
Yea... im also scared about the "handmaids tale" scenerio.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:05 pm
All hail the apocalypse for 'tis certainly well-deserved!
The Handmaid's Tale becomes more and more likely a scenario ever time I pick up a newspaper. I am scared to death.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:57 pm
Kukushka All hail the apocalypse for 'tis certainly well-deserved! The Handmaid's Tale becomes more and more likely a scenario ever time I pick up a newspaper. I am scared to death. And people think that Brave New World or 1984 will be our next reality... They'd love 1984, though, wouldn't they? Sex is just "our duty to the party," say/do/think/feel something wrong and you're "vapourized." It's just Fundie Christianity in action, baby. I shoulda said something like that when we were reading it in English...
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:00 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Deformogrpahy The thing that scares me about democracy is that, in a country where the overwhelming majority of people are Christian, the people could effectively vote to turn the nation into a theocracy (which, many prominent Christians think that America is a theocracy, soo....). Scares the s**t out of me, too. This country is 70% Christian, and while in my generation it seems like there are more atheists, agnostics, and people opposed to imposing their moraliity on others, there are still a LOT of conservative Christians. 30% vs. 70% = bicycle vs. semi truck Especially when most of them are bitching about the Supreme Court abusing the democratic system, with all this bullshit about "judicial activism." The Supreme Court is probably the only thing keeping America from a theocratic dictatorship thingie... Get rid of them and it's one vote away.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:51 am
Deformography And people think that Brave New World or 1984 will be our next reality... They'd love 1984, though, wouldn't they? Sex is just "our duty to the party," say/do/think/feel something wrong and you're "vapourized." It's just Fundie Christianity in action, baby. I shoulda said something like that when we were reading it in English... It's 1984 right now, at least in terms of how the politics are run. Handmaid's Tale is the near future. Deformography 30% vs. 70% = bicycle vs. semi truck Especially when most of them are bitching about the Supreme Court abusing the democratic system, with all this bullshit about "judicial activism." The Supreme Court is probably the only thing keeping America from a theocratic dictatorship thingie... Get rid of them and it's one vote away. And thanks to Bush's efforts, that barrier may not hold the tide for long.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:46 pm
Whats is the Handmaid's Tale
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:41 pm
reggie _chan Whats is the Handmaid's Tale SparkNotes summary for those not interested in reading the book or seeing the movie
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:47 pm
Deformography PhaedraMcSpiffy Deformogrpahy The thing that scares me about democracy is that, in a country where the overwhelming majority of people are Christian, the people could effectively vote to turn the nation into a theocracy (which, many prominent Christians think that America is a theocracy, soo....). Scares the s**t out of me, too. This country is 70% Christian, and while in my generation it seems like there are more atheists, agnostics, and people opposed to imposing their moraliity on others, there are still a LOT of conservative Christians. 30% vs. 70% = bicycle vs. semi truck Especially when most of them are bitching about the Supreme Court abusing the democratic system, with all this bullshit about "judicial activism." The Supreme Court is probably the only thing keeping America from a theocratic dictatorship thingie... Get rid of them and it's one vote away. Hope for the future going, going... gone.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:06 pm
As A floridan i must say. I am not voting for that Dumb, Racist, b***h.
(Sorry to anyone who doesn't like the use of the word b***h. Thats just the first thing That came to mind.)
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:17 pm
... I think I know of one decent way to stop a Christian in their tracks.
Just laugh.
Yeah. Laugh at them. Especially targeting the times they proclaim unusually extraordinary claims such as the literalist views of the bible, or future prophecy revealed in revelations, etc. The Athiests (despite what your personal spiritual beliefs are) do an excellent job picking apart the various inconsistancies in logic of the fundie belief system.
It hurts on their part that their religion isn't taken seriously, but it makes a difference. After being ridiculed, there's a possibility that they will seriously reexamine their beliefs and world perspective while debating in their mind. That's ultimately how they will personally come to their own terms to find out how artificial, contrieved, and scripted their belief system is.
We're not talking about dissing Jesus here. We're talking about people who think they are doing a world of good to support a repressive theocracy.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:50 am
Grip of Death ... I think I know of one decent way to stop a Christian in their tracks. Just laugh. Yeah. Laugh at them. Especially targeting the times they proclaim unusually extraordinary claims such as the literalist views of the bible, or future prophecy revealed in revelations, etc. The Athiests (despite what your personal spiritual beliefs are) do an excellent job picking apart the various inconsistancies in logic of the fundie belief system. It hurts on their part that their religion isn't taken seriously, but it makes a difference. After being ridiculed, there's a possibility that they will seriously reexamine their beliefs and world perspective while debating in their mind. That's ultimately how they will personally come to their own terms to find out how artificial, contrieved, and scripted their belief system is. We're not talking about dissing Jesus here. We're talking about people who think they are doing a world of good to support a repressive theocracy. This isn't verbatim at all, but what you just said reminded me of something that happened on The Simpsons. [Bart and Lisa are studying Native American cultures] "They worshipped badgers, bears, wolves, and cougars..." "Wow. Good thing we came to our senses and worship a carpenter who lived 2000 years ago!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:40 am
Hey, earlier today I read a newspaper perspective on what she said! It's pretty funny too. *types it out* Leonard Pitts Jr. of the Miami Herald says "I offer three cheers for Katherine Harris. Harris has brought this nation together, done a more effective job of uniting people than any prayer breakfast, sensitivity class, or Benetton ad I've ever seen. Thanks to her, Christians, and Jews, Muslims and Atheists, Republicans and Democrats, are now standing as one and saying, "That Katherine Harris, what a moron." Really warms the heart. Harris, GP senatorial candidate from Florida, produced this united front by doing an interview with the weekly newspaper of the Florida Baptist State Convention. In it, she pronounced the separation of church and state a "lie" and warned that if Christians don't stand for election, we will end up "a nation of secular laws." The coup de grace was this bon mot: "If you're not electing Christians, then in essense you are going to legislate sin." The line of people denouncing Harris stretched out the door and down the block. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democratic representative from Florida, pronounced herself "disgusted". Ruby Brooks, a Christian, Rupublican and activist, called Harris' remarks "offensive." Jillian Hasner, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said Harris was not "representative of the Republican Pary." Ahmed Bedier, the Central Florida diretor of the Council on American Islamic Relations, said he was "appalled."And, yes, NoGodBlog.com, a service of American Atheists, condemned Harris for ``religious bigotry.'' When first most of us met her, Harris was the Florida secretary of state who played a crucial role in the selection of George W. Bush as president. Six years later, she is a congresswoman with senatorial ambitions, a score of former staffers who chose unemployment over working for her, an FBI investigation into illegal campaign contributions and the dubious distinction of having been asked by her own party to drop out of the primary because she is unelectable. In short, she's a train wreck. And maybe your instinct is to laugh at this new smash-up and move on. That would be a mistake. Because here's the thing about what she told the newspaper: She meant it. She may try to soft-pedal now in the face of a public-relations shellacking, but she meant it. And I doubt she's the only one. Hasner, of the Jewish Coalition, says Harris is not representative of the GOP, and certainly we can agree that most Republicans are not fanatics. Yet Harris is hardly unique. The forces of Christian fundamentalism have made terrific inroads in the Republican mainstream over the past quarter-century. Some would argue they are the Republican mainstream. At the very least, they hold a position in the party roughly analogous to that held by blacks in the Democratic Party. Namely, they are a core constituency that sometimes demands, as a price of its loyalty, that the party adopt positions that are politically risky. Where blacks are concerned, that usually means affirmative action. Where the GOP's putative Christians are concerned, it means theocracy, it means Vote God, it means just what Harris said: a nation where only Christians can be elected and where the Bible supersedes all federal, state and municipal codes. Just like Iran, except with crosses instead of crescents. In the world envisioned by these true believers -- ``Talibaptists,'' one of my readers calls them -- there would be little room for Jews or Muslims or atheists or, indeed, Christians who refused to drink the Kool-Aid of fundamentalism. After 25 years of watching Talibaptists take over school boards, mayors' offices, the presidency, 25 years of watching them grow ever more shrill and bold in encroaching the rights and freedoms of their fellow Americans, I take Harris at her word. Moreover, I believe there are many who feel exactly as she does. The difference is, they aren't impolitic and imprudent enough to say so. Yet."
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:07 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:29 pm
Ok, something has been bothering me. This woman is supposed to be all fundamental Christian, right? And she wants people to vote for her because she's Christian to make sure that Christian morals get put into the legal system, right?
So if she's such a good Christian, why is she working? Shouldn't she be at home pregnant, surrounded by children, and fetching her husband's slippers?
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