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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:51 am
Well, I'm not sure what the situation is with this woman in your church. But, if a person refuses to change their life and the sin in their life, then that person is only a hindrance to the church. Jesus laid down these rules so that the church would not be hindered by such people. The needs of one must sometime be sacrificed for the needs of many. I know that seems unfair, but that is how the church does things. Take Ananias and Saphira for example. They withheld money from the church and fell down dead for it. Peter then made a warning to all the other people in the church so that it would not happen again. The purity of the church must be kept.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:26 am
whatever stare i just dont like how she got kicked out when she needed help and they wouldnt supply her with any
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:28 pm
You're right, they should help her.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:05 pm
I don't think I can tell anyone otherwise now. It happened on Mother's Day (what a nice sermon that was, not) and I wasn't there. I've been hearing about it from everyone. And even if I do get home sometime soon I don't think anyone will listen to me since I wasn't there.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:25 am
starting on page one.... repentance aint a public thing originally.. it's mainly between you and Christ. you can got to a brother or sister and tell them what you've done. if you have sinned against somone you are to go to them for their forgivness, just like if you've sinned against Christ, you are to go to him for his forgiviness.. (sorry if not making sence yet.. it's late and brain is just starting to get fired up.. lol..) that's where, i think, elysia's verse may come in... (For if ye forgive men their tresspasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, But if ye not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.) how can we be forgivin of our tresspasses, escpecially when the other person forgets about the tresspass, or hasn't noticed it.. that's somthing i have learnt... ((though i think it may say somthing like: do not trust the mind of man for it is truely evil))(((if anyone knows of a computer program that is the bible and can quick search, please tell me about it and where i can get it for cheap.. cuz i need a program like that..))) public repentance is humbling yourself to the people, and your brothers and sisters.... but repentance to God alone is true repentance.. if i need to blab on about that, just let me know... they had no right to kick that lady out of your church by any standards.. infact, a few people in my church shook their head when they heard my mom was kicked out of a church way back when with her bf because of her bf's views...(he was, and i think still is, a teacher.. and i can see why he was kicked out by the thing (not sure if i saw a bible verse attached to it) where they should be kicked out because of their unchanging and not wanting to change ways..)((he was strong evolutionist)) him, i can see by that, but not my mom.. though it does say that we shouldn't marry from out of the faith, lest we get dragged down to the things of the world... i know somthing like that is in the bible... there is also lots of corruption of God's word.. and paulkee may have seen this at another guild i was taking a look at... the story between david and jonathan... i couldn't belive what i was reading in a report they showed.. i argued it and they booted me... they couldn't show me any proof that they believed the story, other than he(person who wrote it) was a well respected pastor!.. sorry if i'm still getting a bit riled up... but it still angers me that it's takin in that way.. maybe you should take a look at it... (gets other bible)((1 Samuel 18-20))(((maybe another board for "discussion and understanding of bible verses"??))) and, i think that may be true.. Quote: If a person refuses to change, the cannot be in the fellowship of believers. but pray that God will lighten their heart and they'll come back ready to change... and by the looks, he was agreeing with you there, scarredimage... on his last post of page one... and they will listen, even though they may not hear.... be brave, and prepared for it.. bring forth the bible to them, and what was said in it... bring a revelation to them, and let the Lord make the words that come out of your mouth.. the dislike you have for what was done i do not believe is false, but from the Lord.. a holy anger, is it be called that.. may the Lord be with you and bless you (( 1 Chronicles 4:9-10 )) may the Lord do that for you...
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:53 pm
AriyaLauna Actually, and I'm sorry, I'll have to look up these verses, but it's very biblical to kick out a member who is in sexual sin. I THINK that's the only reason, other than finding out for sure that a person is unsaved, that a person is to be kicked out a church. This doesn't mean the person isn't allowed to attend the church, it simply means that the person doesn't have church member rights. We're to follow the Bible, all of it. We all sin, and different sin has different consequences. It seems to me that sexual sin is treated more severely than any other type in the Bible, and it makes sense. It's nice to know that churches are following all the biblical principles, even the hard ones, because in our society now, no one wants to own up to problems and no one wants to offend. If the Bible says to do it, then I think we should. wait. Was this in the old testiment? cuz if it was, then that makes perfect sense. When Jesus died for our sins, he brought mercy into the picture. Sure, there was always mercy, but not the same level of grace. When Jesus died he gave us a second chance, and a third, and a fourth, and so on. I think that it is not good to sin, and true, the bible does tell us to not make friends with sinful men. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't love them, and accept them. If the person was trying to repent, like scarred image wants to, i think the church should pray with that person, and help fight their battles. What are church rights? confused
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:47 pm
Just to remember: NO flaming, DO NOT get angry when you type anything in this guild, and RESPECT one another. Not saying that anyone has done this yet, but it's getting kinda scary in this topic. I will let it go on, but keep it COOL.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:32 am
stare I'm sure the thread will be fine man.
anyway... I don't get excommunication. Why do churches kick out those they're trying to save?
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:33 pm
Jesus_Owns stare I'm sure the thread will be fine man. anyway... I don't get excommunication. Why do churches kick out those they're trying to save? Read the rest of the thread and you should understand
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:41 pm
My uncle is the pastor of his church in arkansas, and they wanted to kick him out, and his family, cuz his daughter had a nose ring and her ear was gaged. They actually took a vote! But, in the end, most people wanted my uncle and his family to stay, including jessica, the daughter with the piercings. But the family who wanted them out(big family, mother, father, grandparents, children with spouses...) left the church themselves. I don't understand that. Jessica is a good girl, who recently got married to a good, christian guy.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:46 pm
I'm guessing it was a small church. There's a lot of silly things that happen in small churches. Like a division in the church over salt and pepper shakers. (really happened) But, not all churches are like that. It's not biblical to be like that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:02 pm
what are churches comin to these days, eh? salt and pepper shakers.. sheesh.. whole families leavin cuz of one person.. man.. i think us christians need to bring somthing that keeps people's attention on God and not on eachother...
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:19 pm
Paulkee I'm guessing it was a small church. There's a lot of silly things that happen in small churches. Like a division in the church over salt and pepper shakers. (really happened) But, not all churches are like that. It's not biblical to be like that. Yeah, actually, it was a very small church. That's weird how you knew that. eek Well, all i have to say is that i'm thankful that my church isn't like that. I go to a small church also, only 55-60 people usually. and what's sad is that on a regular basis, my family is 1/10 of the people who go there. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:58 pm
Sadly if small churches don't have a sudden change of leadership, they die. Small churches need big leaders. And big leaders don't want small churches. So, places with a potential to be great die. It's sad really.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:35 pm
winder22 what are churches comin to these days, eh? salt and pepper shakers.. sheesh.. whole families leavin cuz of one person.. man.. i think us christians need to bring somthing that keeps people's attention on God and not on eachother... Amen!
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