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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:37 am
Allythea Skiddishfit Allythea The Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. I'm not saying that all christian churches have to recite the above to be christian, but I find the nicene creed is a nice way to sum up the faith. Is not the creed held exclusively by those in the Catholic faith? The Roman catholic church and Anglican church recite the nicene creed. The Roman catholic consider Anglicans and other denominations to be Protestant. Some Anglicans call themselves catholic. I am not sure about other denoms reciting the nicene creed. What is the merit of the creed? Is it not interpretation of scripture, in essence? Why not only revert to scripture?
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:28 pm
Skiddishfit Allythea Skiddishfit Allythea The Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. I'm not saying that all christian churches have to recite the above to be christian, but I find the nicene creed is a nice way to sum up the faith. Is not the creed held exclusively by those in the Catholic faith? The Roman catholic church and Anglican church recite the nicene creed. The Roman catholic consider Anglicans and other denominations to be Protestant. Some Anglicans call themselves catholic. I am not sure about other denoms reciting the nicene creed. What is the merit of the creed? Is it not interpretation of scripture, in essence? Why not only revert to scripture? I don't see anything wrong with using scripture and I don't see anything wrong with interpretation of scripture that agrees with scripture.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:47 pm
Allythea Skiddishfit Allythea Skiddishfit Allythea The Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. I'm not saying that all christian churches have to recite the above to be christian, but I find the nicene creed is a nice way to sum up the faith. Is not the creed held exclusively by those in the Catholic faith? The Roman catholic church and Anglican church recite the nicene creed. The Roman catholic consider Anglicans and other denominations to be Protestant. Some Anglicans call themselves catholic. I am not sure about other denoms reciting the nicene creed. What is the merit of the creed? Is it not interpretation of scripture, in essence? Why not only revert to scripture? I don't see anything wrong with using scripture and I don't see anything wrong with interpretation of scripture that agrees with scripture. Ah, I myself will always be skeptical, even to the point of rejection. Due to it being outside the confines of sola scriptura. For which everything other than the Bible is... EDIT: Can't go wrong with God, but man [generalization here wink ]... Well... >>
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:06 am
Also, it is told: Quote: Hebrews 4:12 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:46 pm
LearningtoBreath63 I disagree. The way to be right with God I believe is through being a good person. I believe this for 2 reasons. Firstly being that not all people have the knowledge of Christ or the ability to reach him. People might not know about Jesus or might not be able to follow him because of how their religion works. Converting in some religions can get people killed. Now secondly, just because you believe in God and Jesus doesn't mean your Christian. Look at Hitler, he was Christian, but do you think he's going to Heaven?
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:19 am
Allythea I am so praying that most of you are going to say Amen and Yes, but I have heard different christian leaders and even some christian personalities promoting the idea that while Jesus is the divine vehicle of salvation for christians, He is not for other religions and the other religions have their own way to salvation and that's okay too. Jesus is the only way to salvation. Anyone preaching otherwise is lost & spreading false information. Allythea I believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. I disagree that God has provided other religions paths that lead to him. I agree with you. Allythea Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." Amen & amen.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:44 pm
jesus made the bridge that connects us to god, he didn't make that bridge for only us, he made a way for everyone. There isn't "another way" for other people. he helped us, and the rest of the world. i happen to live in a country where i am free to participate and believe in my religion, without harm. but god said he would provide for us. If it is dangerous to believe in god, for a certain person, that is a risk to take. god says we will be honored for that day in heaven, because we believed in him.
It is like a child waiting for thier cookie, the mother says if you just wait 5 minutes, in silence, you can have that cookie. We have to wait here on earth, for our prize. except our prize is eternal joy, and praising god. it might be difficult for a child to wait that long for thier cookie, just like our journey on earth is difficult. Some people will have more troubles, but that reward is worth it.
God will provide us, and help us through our journey. But that doesn't mean he will provide different people different ways to the throne. He will just help us through!
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:27 pm
It is only through our faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross that we can get to heaven, so I believe with firm conviction! As the others have pointed out through verses, God sent Jesus here to die for our sins. If we depended on our works alone, our bad ones would severely outweigh the good ones. That is why God is so amazing and gracious!
Also, about the Nicene Creed. My grandparents go to an Episcopal church, and I have been there many times. They say things similar to that, if not the same thing. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the words, but the way that that particular church is run, the whole church, Pastor included, says it like it is a ritual, just another stage that HAS to be carried out for the service to be good and acceptable. I feel such a deep sadness when I see everyone reciting it in monotone with no conviction or signs of belief whatsoever.
Now I am not saying that is the case in every Episcopal church or every church that recites the Nicene Creed. From personal experience, I would much rather say my own prayer that I mean from my heart and believe in with conviction. And unfortunately, those grandparents aren't saved. Sure, they get up on Sunday and dress nicely and go to church and recite prayer after prayer and believe they are Christians because of it, but I know it isn't true based on their everyday lives. It is a burden on my heart, what these church have fallen into by trying to copy the Scriptures over in their own words and forcing them on the people as the real thing. Why can't the Bible be taught pure and simple, like Jesus did?
I realize I haven't been very clear, but I will try to explain better if someone doesn't understand my feelings on the matter.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:59 pm
Quote: I feel such a deep sadness when I see everyone reciting it in monotone with no conviction or signs of belief whatsoever. Quote: it is a ritual, just another stage that HAS to be carried out for the service to be good and acceptable. Yeah, that can be discouraging. And I have seen many churches (not just Episcopal and Catholic) that have people who go to church and follow the motions without actually following the faith in their day to day lives. Quote: trying to copy the Scriptures over in their own words and forcing them on the people as the real thing. Why can't the Bible be taught pure and simple, like Jesus did? I admit the bible itself far surpasses the Nicene creed.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:00 pm
I hate to ask, but is this really a debate if everyone just sits around and agrees with each other?
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:59 am
LearningtoBreath63 I disagree. The way to be right with God I believe is through being a good person. I believe this for 2 reasons. Firstly being that not all people have the knowledge of Christ or the ability to reach him. People might not know about Jesus or might not be able to follow him because of how their religion works. Converting in some religions can get people killed. Now secondly, just because you believe in God and Jesus doesn't mean your Christian. Look at Hitler, he was Christian, but do you think he's going to Heaven? No one is without sin, so the whole good person thing doesn't work. Jesus died on the cross for "our sins" and rose again on the third day. The only way to heaven is through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Now on the whole not everyone has the knowledge of Christ or the ability to reach him, um there are missionaries out there spreading the word of God to all parts of the nations, there isn't a part of the country that hasn't heard about the Lord. There are fliers, tapes, videos, tv, and all kinds of other ways that are making its way into people's lives. Look at "The Voice of Maryters". Yes it can get them killed if they convert to christianity, but that is the price that some are more then willing to pay to be a child of God. I'm willing to die if faced with that. Believing in God, Jesus , and the Holy Spirit is different then hearing about them and saying yeah I guess it could be true that there is a God and Jesus did exist. The whole Hitler thing, um he was never a Christian, he was deeply in the occult and hated Christians and Jews.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:03 pm
LearningtoBreath63 I disagree. The way to be right with God I believe is through being a good person. I believe this for 2 reasons. Firstly being that not all people have the knowledge of Christ or the ability to reach him. People might not know about Jesus or might not be able to follow him because of how their religion works. Converting in some religions can get people killed. Now secondly, just because you believe in God and Jesus doesn't mean your Christian. Look at Hitler, he was Christian, but do you think he's going to Heaven? Yes, but graces, nonetheless, are received from God through Jesus Christ. Every grace given to any man, may he be Christian or another, still goes through Christ. Yes, I do believe that not only Christians can go to heaven. Also, as some pointed out, being good is not enough. Are people being good to look good? Are they being good because of necessity? Now, if a person truly tries to seek out god with all their heart, mind, and soul, God might work through extraordinary means, and give him/her grace. Again, still people are saved by God's love shown at the passion, death, and ressurection of Christ.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:05 pm
Iveris I hate to ask, but is this really a debate if everyone just sits around and agrees with each other? Well...There is no opposition...
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:20 pm
Now, to support Allythea's statement of the Nicene Creed, I have something to say. The Nicene Creed, first of all, was created as a summary of the faith. Of course, it is not to say it has all the truths, but that it has those that are very important. Now the Nicene Creed is called one of those traditional prayers or prayers by mouth. The purpose of saying the Nicene Creed is to renew our baptism, to remember what we believe. It is not a prayer of passion, though it can, but one of silence. It is one that calls us to hold these simple truths. It is a prayer of meditation. It is meant so that all desire but desire for Christ might be tuned out. Yes, saying our own prayers is extremely good, but sometimes we swerve here and there and turn out praying for what we want instead for what God wants. These sorts of prayers create a certain mood to instead of praying for ourselves to listen to God's voice. You know another one of these kinds of prayers? The Lord's Prayer or the Our Father. And yes, I do hold the Lord's Prayer in higher regard than the Nicene Creed because it was authored by Ultimate Author.
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