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Secular Music: Good or Bad?
  It's ok
  Some is ok
  None of it's ok
  It will send you to hell
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OnceAgain89
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:36 pm


Yea I get what ya mean.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:55 pm


OutkasTeen
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I never said all music was bad

Yes, but you said secular, and that includes many good bands that don't say anything bad, many having Christian members.

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God did tel lme that so now you're wrong.

So God came down to you and said, only listen to music that praises my name. Possible, but highly unlikely that God did that.
God convicted her. Or I guess the Holy Spirit did. I know what it's like to be convicted. One time I was convicted to fast. Another time I was convicted to stop playing this video game that I loved. I listened both those times, cause I just knew that something was telling me to do these things. And that thing was the Holy Spirit. That's the same thing that happened to her. The sky didn't open up, and God's voice didn't thunder down to her and say, "Thou shall no longer continue listening to secular music." She had a conviction. 3nodding

OutkasTeen

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Relient K is Christian. At least last time I heard.

Relient K is both secular and Christian. They sing about both.

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Linkin Park once song, people think it's dealing with suicide and cutting, however it was dealing with drugs I think. I'm not quite sure the whole story on it, but people viewed it as cutting and suicide. Not good.

You said "people viewed it as..." That doesn't mean it's what they actually write about. Linkin Park simply talks about emotion.

Yeah, well even if Linkin Park is just talking about emotion, it's still bad to listen to if it's negative emotion that they're spewing out.
OutkasTeen

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Switchfoot is Christian too.

Not anymore.
Says who? Aren't they a christian band that sings to both the christian and secular audience? "When I look at the stars, I see someone else." Who do you think they're talking about? Orion? No, they're talking about God! rolleyes

OutkasTeen

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What do you think Satan was kicked out of heaven? He wanted to sing praises to himself and God wouldn't allow it.

They're not singing songs glorifying themselves, they're singing songs about their problems and emotions. So they are in no way like Satan.
And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the money or the fame. It's all about them sharing their feelings with America. domokun *random domo*

OutkasTeen

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God is a jealous God

Untrue. Look at this list of sins according to the bible:

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Galatians 5 (N.I.V.)
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God doesn't seem jealous to me.


But He is! 3nodding Read this.
Exodus 20:4-6
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


OutkasTeen

Now my point is, you said it won't send you to hell, but you do seem apposed to people listening to any secular music. So I will tell you I'm not trying to change your mind, but show other people that it's not bad to listen to music that is secular and you don't have to feel sorry for it. You and God can be best buds and he won't make you fell guilty about good moralled music not about him.


Yeah, but isn't it better to listen to music that is all about our God, our King, our beautiful Saviour? Seriously, it's a lot nicer to listen to music that praises Jesus. I've been only buying christian music. I'm sure there are some great secular songs, but...they just can't be as great and meaningful as songs that praise Jesus! 3nodding

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:57 pm


i listen to only 2 kinds of music christian and country, but i agree, secular music only tears down. the main reason why i listen to that other music, is because i am a music freak (hince the name) and love to listen to the music, beat, tempo of country music and i like to sing along for fun. I don't listen to the rest of it! but i love the texas beat (plus i live in tx, so that helps smile )but i listen to christian music for the meaning, the praise for god in the music, and that is so much more fun to sing along to b/c i have an audiance who loves the music no matter how bad my singing reeks.

secular music can replace what we worship. by listening to christian music, you still honor god by praising him. by listening to the secular music more you praise that more. that is how i view it! i think it is fine to still listen to it, but i think listening to christian music is so much better!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:30 pm


flyingemu27
OutkasTeen
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I never said all music was bad

Yes, but you said secular, and that includes many good bands that don't say anything bad, many having Christian members.

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God did tel lme that so now you're wrong.

So God came down to you and said, only listen to music that praises my name. Possible, but highly unlikely that God did that.
God convicted her. Or I guess the Holy Spirit did. I know what it's like to be convicted. One time I was convicted to fast. Another time I was convicted to stop playing this video game that I loved. I listened both those times, cause I just knew that something was telling me to do these things. And that thing was the Holy Spirit. That's the same thing that happened to her. The sky didn't open up, and God's voice didn't thunder down to her and say, "Thou shall no longer continue listening to secular music." She had a conviction. 3nodding

OutkasTeen

Quote:
Relient K is Christian. At least last time I heard.

Relient K is both secular and Christian. They sing about both.

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Linkin Park once song, people think it's dealing with suicide and cutting, however it was dealing with drugs I think. I'm not quite sure the whole story on it, but people viewed it as cutting and suicide. Not good.

You said "people viewed it as..." That doesn't mean it's what they actually write about. Linkin Park simply talks about emotion.

Yeah, well even if Linkin Park is just talking about emotion, it's still bad to listen to if it's negative emotion that they're spewing out.
OutkasTeen

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Switchfoot is Christian too.

Not anymore.
Says who? Aren't they a christian band that sings to both the christian and secular audience? "When I look at the stars, I see someone else." Who do you think they're talking about? Orion? No, they're talking about God! rolleyes

OutkasTeen

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What do you think Satan was kicked out of heaven? He wanted to sing praises to himself and God wouldn't allow it.

They're not singing songs glorifying themselves, they're singing songs about their problems and emotions. So they are in no way like Satan.
And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the money or the fame. It's all about them sharing their feelings with America. domokun *random domo*

OutkasTeen

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God is a jealous God

Untrue. Look at this list of sins according to the bible:

Quote:
Galatians 5 (N.I.V.)
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God doesn't seem jealous to me.


But He is! 3nodding Read this.
Exodus 20:4-6
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


OutkasTeen

Now my point is, you said it won't send you to hell, but you do seem apposed to people listening to any secular music. So I will tell you I'm not trying to change your mind, but show other people that it's not bad to listen to music that is secular and you don't have to feel sorry for it. You and God can be best buds and he won't make you fell guilty about good moralled music not about him.


Yeah, but isn't it better to listen to music that is all about our God, our King, our beautiful Saviour? Seriously, it's a lot nicer to listen to music that praises Jesus. I've been only buying christian music. I'm sure there are some great secular songs, but...they just can't be as great and meaningful as songs that praise Jesus! 3nodding


Thank you and AMEN!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:19 pm


I believe that all secular and Christian Rock/Contemporary Christian Music is wrong. 3nodding PM me if u wish to contridict
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:54 pm


Why is Christian Rock/Contemporary Christian music wrong? How is it wrong if it's praising God...And what is contemporary music? (Dumb question maybe but I've heard the term before and don't know what it means.)

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:56 pm


SaraRenee
Why is Christian Rock/Contemporary Christian music wrong? How is it wrong if it's praising God...And what is contemporary music? (Dumb question maybe but I've heard the term before and don't know what it means.)
The best example I can think of is Matthew West. It's like pop music for Christians. Except less annoying than pop (any secular pop music makes me want to kill myself, BRITTANY SPEARS- YOU CAN'T SING!!!!). Also, Christian Rock is awesome. Christian Rock, Rap, Contemporary, Screamo, and all that other stuff is amazing.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:01 pm


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Yeah, but isn't it better to listen to music that is all about our God, our King, our beautiful Saviour? Seriously, it's a lot nicer to listen to music that praises Jesus. I've been only buying christian music. I'm sure there are some great secular songs, but...they just can't be as great and meaningful as songs that praise Jesus!

No, why? Some yes, but cutting out all music not about God no matter how good it is, I think is like if you didn't drive through a yellow light. God's the green light, and the Devil is red, and the yellow is still good, just not related with either the green or the red. What's bad about the yellow light, nothing. You still can pass safely as long as its not red before you begin driving through the light. So, ask yourself this, because yellow isn't green, the next time you drive are you not going to go through the yellow because it's not as safe as the green, but is still good?

LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:15 pm


OutkasTeen
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Yeah, but isn't it better to listen to music that is all about our God, our King, our beautiful Saviour? Seriously, it's a lot nicer to listen to music that praises Jesus. I've been only buying christian music. I'm sure there are some great secular songs, but...they just can't be as great and meaningful as songs that praise Jesus!

No, why? Some yes, but cutting out all music not about God no matter how good it is, I think is like if you didn't drive through a yellow light. God's the green light, and the Devil is red, and the yellow is still good, just not related with either the green or the red. What's bad about the yellow light, nothing. You still can pass safely as long as its not red before you begin driving through the light. So, ask yourself this, because yellow isn't green, the next time you drive are you not going to go through the yellow because it's not as safe as the green, but is still good?
Think of this. There is hot water and cold water. Then there is luke warm water. In the world of God you can be one or the other. If someone is luke warm they are of no use. God would rather you be cold then luke warm. I am not saying you are, I am just giving another analogy.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:24 pm


Imotoku
OutkasTeen
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Yeah, but isn't it better to listen to music that is all about our God, our King, our beautiful Saviour? Seriously, it's a lot nicer to listen to music that praises Jesus. I've been only buying christian music. I'm sure there are some great secular songs, but...they just can't be as great and meaningful as songs that praise Jesus!

No, why? Some yes, but cutting out all music not about God no matter how good it is, I think is like if you didn't drive through a yellow light. God's the green light, and the Devil is red, and the yellow is still good, just not related with either the green or the red. What's bad about the yellow light, nothing. You still can pass safely as long as its not red before you begin driving through the light. So, ask yourself this, because yellow isn't green, the next time you drive are you not going to go through the yellow because it's not as safe as the green, but is still good?
Think of this. There is hot water and cold water. Then there is luke warm water. In the world of God you can be one or the other. If someone is luke warm they are of no use. God would rather you be cold then luke warm. I am not saying you are, I am just giving another analogy.
That analogy is fitting.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=3&verse=15&end_verse=17&version=9&context=context

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:49 pm


The more and more this debate goes on the more and more I just have to shake my head and try not to laugh. I listen to secular music every day for the most part in my brothers car...It's his so I have no control over the controls sadly. And I'll listen to bits nad pieces of this music. THen I was in a car with my mom today, she likes country. This guy was singing about how he got so caught up in the music he said I love you to this woman, but didn't mean. It was just a slow song for them to dance to and he said I love you. Musics mess with your emotions. And then in the song he was sining about how he wanted to do all the things to her but he was leaving the next morning for another state! Omg why sing and listen to junk like that? LAMENESS! And yes if the light was yellow I wouldn't go through if it wasn't as safe as the green. Because if anything is questionable and has the potential for me to backslide (be unsafe) I'll stay green. The further a way from red the btter.

And sometimes you are the only bible to some people. You represent the bible to people who don't go to church. Now if you are preaching to them then they hear you listen to the same trash singing about love and anger and negative emotions, what makes them think they can't get into heaven the way they are? I mean you are saved and listening to the same junk they are so why should they change? Would you watch tv that has somone cheat on someone or someone cutting themselves? Would you read a book where the F was every other word? Would you watch rated R movies just because you were allowed to no matter how bad it may be? I mean it's ok right, I'm legal age and I'm not doing stuff, so why is wrong? But how Christian are you appealing to those who don't know you and you are taking part in the same things they watch, read, and listen to daily, what some may even live out. And because you listen to it, read it, and watch it; they make take it as an ok to keep living that way because you are willing to listen to it, read it, and watch it.

So it's not only about your own walk with God, it's how you are representing him to the unsaved.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:05 pm


I prefer christian music to secular as well. The only christian music I have a problem with is when they sing and you can't hear the words of the song. It's important to me to be able to hear the words so I can praise right along with the song.

My husband and I respectfully disagree on the subject of christian rock. My hubby argued that all christian rock was not good because rock music is designed to rattle your nerves and something about most rock music plays to a down scale instead of an upscale (he's the musician-not me).

I disagree because I think if it has a good, clear christian message, that's important.

Allythea


LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:49 pm


Ok, for anyone who likes Anberlin but vows not to listen to secular music, I'm going to rattle your cages. It's not just Anberlin, its other artists too, but they're the best examples I can think of. Ok, here it goes. To go to an Anberlin concert and listent through the whole thing, you would here so alot of secular music. Why? Because they go on tour with secular bands like Fall Out Boy and Hawthorne Heights. Same with Underoath. They were on the Warped Tour that had alot of secular bands. Many Christian Artists do that. Also, look at the back of their cds, they thank secular bands when they're thanking the bands. The secular music is another inspiration for many Christian bands. God might inspire the words, but there are more parts of the music. So many bands that are Christian can be traced back to secular bands and music. It's probably secular music that inspires many artists to pick up a guitar or drums. Now Allythea, adressed to you. Be more specific on not being able to hear the words, name bands. You see, I can understand the words of most Christian Rap and Rock. Not all people can though. So like what bands and stuff?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:53 pm


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So it's not only about your own walk with God, it's how you are representing him to the unsaved.


I'd like to talk about that one line. How is a good Christian person that listens to music like Jack Johnson or 3 Doors Down representing God badly?

LearningtoBreath63
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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:59 pm


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And yes if the light was yellow I wouldn't go through if it wasn't as safe as the green. Because if anything is questionable and has the potential for me to backslide (be unsafe) I'll stay green. The further a way from red the btter.


Yet the yellow has nothing to do with red. Yellow is no closer to Red than Green. Yellow is neither affiliated with the Green or the Red. Yet you can be green and yellow. A green painting with nothing more would be quite a boring painting
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