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 Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:47 am
Well, nonsurgical abortion is mentioned in the OT of the bible...and encouraged xd
It was a way to tell whether the woman had been cheating or not. Take this potion and if she was true, the baby would be born alive. If not, it would be born dead.
Which is unfair but it's better than with witches where it's lose-lose...throw her in. If she drowns, she's not a witch (just dead) and if she swims, she's a witch (let's kill her). I say her even though men were killed too.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:11 pm
Well... 1%...
That means that for every 99 people who has an abortion, 1 has an abortion due to rape.
Now that's a pretty large number of people being raped.
And that's just the ones that have an abortion.
Back to the point...
I hear-tell that a loooooong time ago the people who invaded America, raped the natives, but they took in the children as a result as their own.
Now... that was a few hundred years ago... but if they could do it, We can do it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:47 pm
lu-tze Well... 1%... That means that for every 99 people who has an abortion, 1 has an abortion due to rape. Now that's a pretty large number of people being raped. And that's just the ones that have an abortion. Back to the point... I hear-tell that a loooooong time ago the people who invaded America, raped the natives, but they took in the children as a result as their own. Now... that was a few hundred years ago... but if they could do it, We can do it. Not really, considering rape isn't usually, jumped in the dark alley. I do think it's a bit high, but it's plausible.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:51 pm
Oh, I'm not saying it's implausible... just that there must be a lot of... sick people out there, nurtured by society :-S
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:34 pm
I hate rape. So many people....I dunno. People you wouldn't even think of as being like that can do that. I get angry.
Society has a lot to answer for. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big one on personal responsibility, but....it's sick how society is towards women.
Know what's REALLY sick? That there are people who say it's selfish to give birth because it's a burden on your family. EXCUSE ME? Some choice. That is the attitude of pro-abortion, not pro-choice.
THink about it though...if the adoption system was worked on and places were more accomodating to pregnant women and young mothers, there would be a lot less pressure on women to get abortions. I realize that it isn't going to happen, but abortions wouldn't be such a "need" for society anymore. But we don't live in a place called perfect, so we need Walgreens. Gah.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:24 am
This is a really hard topic to discuss without thinking about all of the aspects of it. It is seriously more complicated then rape and having a child, or rape and aborting a child.
You have to think of many more things. How old is the girl who has been raped? Girls are capable of becoming pregnant as early as 9 or 10 years old. Tell me that you can look a child in the face and tell her that she IS going to have a baby and it might kill her because she is too young to support actually having one. What if a woman is raped and has been told that she should never become pregnant because the complications would kill her? You also have to think about the child. This baby is going to be born and if the mother keeps it she might have to look at the face of her rapist every day of her life and the child will never understand why his or her mother is so distant Also, what happens if that child finds out later on in life that he or she is the product of a rape? There could be severe conciquences.
What I have said does not mean that I advocate abortion; but when I was a little over 11 years old I was raped and became pregnant and I have never fully recovered from what it did to me physically or mentally. I believe that there are times where it is apropriate for a girl to have a VERY early abortion if she chooses to do so. surely it has to be better than having a pre mature dead baby to deal with.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:32 pm
lymelady I hate rape. So many people....I dunno. People you wouldn't even think of as being like that can do that. I get angry. Society has a lot to answer for. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big one on personal responsibility, but....it's sick how society is towards women. Know what's REALLY sick? That there are people who say it's selfish to give birth because it's a burden on your family. EXCUSE ME? Some choice. That is the attitude of pro-abortion, not pro-choice. THink about it though...if the adoption system was worked on and places were more accomodating to pregnant women and young mothers, there would be a lot less pressure on women to get abortions. I realize that it isn't going to happen, but abortions wouldn't be such a "need" for society anymore. But we don't live in a place called perfect, so we need Walgreens. Gah.
All adoption agencies like to make it appear that adoption is 100% safe and healthy for both the child and the parent(s). This is not true. Although most stories the general public hears or knows about are of good things coming from adoption-the child finds a happy home with loving parents and maybe even one day finds and loves their biological parents-most cases do not turn out so well for either parties (parent and child) in the system. It is a statistical fact that most adoptions turn out horribly. Most children in adoption agencies or foster care never find those "good homes" and "loving parents". Most people in the system wind up with people just as bad (assuming that their biological parents were terrible) or worse (assuming that the parents were not-so-bad) than the people they would have been with in their biological family.
Their are many terrible things that happen to these children-abuse, neglect, molestation, rape, and many more-and nothing is ever done about it, for one reason or another. Many children in these circumstances wind up being criminals or varrying degrees.
Also, some children are simply never adopted. Every agency is required, by law, to give detailed background about a child to the potential adoptive parents. When it is discovered that the child was conceived through rape, most people do not choose that child. It is believed by many scientists that a person's actions, personality, and tendencies (like violent acts, such as rape) can be passed on through their parents' genes. Because of this fact, the child conceived through a rape is commonly feared by adoptive parents. They fear that the child could grow to be just as dangerous, if not more so, than the father who raped the child's mother. These children are often left to fend for themselves.
The system takes care of them (schooling-wise, I mean) until they graduate high school, normally. Although some, if not most, foster parents do not have foster children attending schools. By this I mean that the foster parent has an actual foster home, and takes care of several, if not MANY, children. Anyways, after highscool, most foster children do not attend any type of schooling, because it can not be afforded. Also, once a person turns 18, in the system, they are cast out forced to be an adult in the real world, whether they were prepared for it in their young life, or not.
Now, a slight alteration in topic. What if the adoption DOES do well. What if the child DOES find a good family with loving parents to take care of them. Many adoptive parents adopt babies, and do not tell them that they are adopted until they are older, if they tell them at all. Say that a child who's mother was raped and gave her baby up for adoption was adopted. They have a loving family and a wonderful home. One day, this child's parent's tell them that they were adopted. This person is usually quite upset to hear this news. Depending on how long it took the adoptive parents to tell the child the truth of their presence in their family, the reaction could be worse. Most people in this situation want to find their birth parents. This almost never ends well. Most of the time, if the child finds their parents, it is not a good meeting and the child (now an adult or teenager) is broken, confused, angry, and, in some cases, depressed. OR...The adopted child never finds their birth parents (or finds that they are dead). This leads to a life of wondering..."Why did my mother and/or father give me up?" "Did they love me?" "Did they HATE me?" "Was I an accident?" and many other similar quetions are asked of themselves.
These are some things that rape victims think about. Even though I am pro-life, I can kind of understand why a woman in this situation would choose to terminate her pregnancy...*sigh*.....
I'm not sure how much of this actually made sence and how much of it I couldn't find words for at 2:30 in the morning and turned out to be a lot of rammbling....anyways...just though that I had to say this. I always try to tell people this in conversations and debates, and no one ever listens....hot-headed, little.....(the people I talk to.....gah!)
As I just mentioned, it IS 2:30 in the morning here in Florida, and I need to get up and do some work tomorrow, or my 10th grade English and History teachers are not going to be very happy with this dear little Chelsey. I shall be back to hear people arguing with me tomorrow (although hopefully at least SOMEONE agrees with me). Peace and Caio.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:16 pm
But I want to be able to tell my child that he/she was made out of love between me and whoever Daddy is, not that I was knocked unconscious, raped, and possibly killed and accidently had her/him.
Sorry, but I believe that women should have a choice. It's your choice if you still love and want your child, but unfortunately, some people simply don't.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:16 pm
Well Mako, the best way to do that is to simply abstain form sex untill oyur ready for children if you simply don't want it untill your ready to crerat out of love.
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:11 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Well Mako, the best way to do that is to simply abstain form sex untill oyur ready for children if you simply don't want it untill your ready to crerat out of love.
People want to have sex.
I want to have sex. I'm all for sex.
But please, accept that when you have sex, you are potentially taking a life into your hands, and are responsible for that life.
It's just that simple.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:18 am
mako_streak But I want to be able to tell my child that he/she was made out of love between me and whoever Daddy is, not that I was knocked unconscious, raped, and possibly killed and accidently had her/him. Sorry, but I believe that women should have a choice. It's your choice if you still love and want your child, but unfortunately, some people simply don't.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:18 am
Mcphee Pyrotechnic Oracle Well Mako, the best way to do that is to simply abstain form sex untill oyur ready for children if you simply don't want it untill your ready to crerat out of love.
People want to have sex.
I want to have sex. I'm all for sex.
But please, accept that when you have sex, you are potentially taking a life into your hands, and are responsible for that life.
It's just that simple.
I want sex. -_-
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:06 am
Mcphee Pyrotechnic Oracle Well Mako, the best way to do that is to simply abstain form sex untill oyur ready for children if you simply don't want it untill your ready to crerat out of love.
People want to have sex.
I want to have sex. I'm all for sex.
But please, accept that when you have sex, you are potentially taking a life into your hands, and are responsible for that life.
It's just that simple.THats what I was gettign at. If your not ready to accept the creation of a child in the slightest, then you really arnt ready for sex. Sex, whether we accept it or not, was for all intentive purposes desighned for reproduction. Me and my girl friend recently had sex, and the one thing we both stressed the most is if we were ready to accept a child into our lives if it should happen. We spent hours going over what woudl happen, what we would do. Despite the fact that our parents would e pissed at us, we talked to them and they said they would help us if somthign should happen.
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:56 pm
Trust me, I hate the adoption system the way it is. I have a whole rant about it in here awhile back called, "Adoption doesn't work." THat's why I said that the system needs to be fixed.
Think about it...if the system DID work the way it's supposed to and actually placed children in homes, not just houses, women wouldn't feel the need to abort to spare their children a bad life. Even though I don't agree with dictating someone else's life out of fear for them, I can understand why people do it. It shouldn't be that way though. That's not the choice that should be given to women. There should be another option, so it's not, "Keep your child when you realistically can't handle a child at this time, Kill your child, or entrust your child to a corrupt system where he or she will most likely be miserable." Do any of those options seem merciful towards the child? If the system was better, though, that third option would change entirely into something that was safe for the child. And if more accomodations were made for women, like schools that have facilities for pregnant women and young mothers, women wouldn't have to choose abortion or adoption to continue with their schooling.
It's more work, and I realize that it's possible now to keep a child AND still go to school, but it's tough. If there was more done for women who needed help, they wouldn't feel the need to abort, and if the adoption system was fixed so that children became more than dollar signs, there wouldn't be the view that your child is better off aborted.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:59 am
Usually the body protects itself during rape so yes, there are less accounts of abortion due to rape.
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