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 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:32 am
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:02 am
rin1-tin2-tin3 like if i play pull under(-5/-5 until end of turn) on a 3/3 or something. would it die even though its just until end of turn? Yep, that0s what the -X/-X cards are about. Not just to tka less damage from an opponent. As a note, it's one way to get rid of indestrutible creatures. I have an question myself, what happens when you accidentally targeted a permanent with a spell that can't do it? For example, a friend tried to Terror a enchanmet once because he thought it was a creature. We've always played that he wasted his spell and it goes to the graveyard but, a friend now claims that the spell goes back to his hand but, since he already generated the mana, unless the player uses it for something it'll mana-burn him.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:38 am
if the enchantment says that it is a creature. then it can be destroyed as a creature. and it isn't possible to target something that can't be targetable. so then it really is up to oyu. as to what rules you choose to use. it could fizzle and just not work because it can't target the targeted permenant. you could use the rules that it just doesn't work because it can't be targeted and the spell is returned to that players hand. it really is up to the players. you could just fix this problem by thinking about what moves you are gonna make. stare
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:14 am
wellwisher it could fizzle and just not work because it can't target the targeted permenant. you could use the rules that it just doesn't work because it can't be targeted and the spell is returned to that players hand. it really is up to the players. you could just fix this problem by thinking about what moves you are gonna make. stare So, in the end it's up to the players? What is the official tournament rule about it then?
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:21 am
japoniano wellwisher it could fizzle and just not work because it can't target the targeted permenant. you could use the rules that it just doesn't work because it can't be targeted and the spell is returned to that players hand. it really is up to the players. you could just fix this problem by thinking about what moves you are gonna make. stare So, in the end it's up to the players? What is the official tournament rule about it then? Quote: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/rules/tourneyplayer here try this for finding stuff out
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:54 am
wellwisher japoniano wellwisher it could fizzle and just not work because it can't target the targeted permenant. you could use the rules that it just doesn't work because it can't be targeted and the spell is returned to that players hand. it really is up to the players. you could just fix this problem by thinking about what moves you are gonna make. stare So, in the end it's up to the players? What is the official tournament rule about it then? Quote: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/rules/tourneyplayer here try this for finding stuff out
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:51 pm
i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:03 pm
wellwisher i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different sounds like a stack issue. technicaly creatures actavated ablities can be actavated as though they are instances. so it turns back into a enchantment before the spell resolves and is invalid.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:07 pm
rin1-tin2-tin3 wellwisher i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different sounds like a stack issue. technicaly creatures actavated ablities can be actavated as though they are instances. so it turns back into a enchantment before the spell resolves and is invalid. i know but it was a creature before the spell was activated and it was an instant. so i see what you mean but it doesn't seem to fit some of the rules. so i would like some other imput. you know just in case. he did cheat and win because of it
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:37 pm
wellwisher rin1-tin2-tin3 wellwisher i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different sounds like a stack issue. technicaly creatures actavated ablities can be actavated as though they are instances. so it turns back into a enchantment before the spell resolves and is invalid. i know but it was a creature before the spell was activated and it was an instant. so i see what you mean but it doesn't seem to fit some of the rules. so i would like some other imput. you know just in case. he did cheat and win because of it
i'll be the judge. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 12:42 am
wellwisher rin1-tin2-tin3 wellwisher i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different sounds like a stack issue. technicaly creatures actavated ablities can be actavated as though they are instances. so it turns back into a enchantment before the spell resolves and is invalid. i know but it was a creature before the spell was activated and it was an instant. so i see what you mean but it doesn't seem to fit some of the rules. so i would like some other imput. you know just in case. he did cheat and win because of it The legality of targets is checked twice: once upon casting the spell and once upon its resolution. When the creature-killing spell resolves, it sees that the creature is no longer a creature and fizzles. And yes, as long as the ability that turns it back into a creature is at instant speed (which it will be unless it says it is not) then it will be an enchantment before the kill spell resolves. -Reisen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:50 am
Reisen wellwisher rin1-tin2-tin3 wellwisher i actually have a question (weird usually i answer them) ok. if my opponent targets one of my enchantments that is at the moment a creature and he usees a destroy creature card. and i can pay 0 to turn it back into an enchantment. is it destroyed if it is an enchantment and was targeted by a creature destroy card, when it was a creature during the targeting process. i know this sounds familiar to one of the questions that i answered but it is very different sounds like a stack issue. technicaly creatures actavated ablities can be actavated as though they are instances. so it turns back into a enchantment before the spell resolves and is invalid. i know but it was a creature before the spell was activated and it was an instant. so i see what you mean but it doesn't seem to fit some of the rules. so i would like some other imput. you know just in case. he did cheat and win because of it The legality of targets is checked twice: once upon casting the spell and once upon its resolution. When the creature-killing spell resolves, it sees that the creature is no longer a creature and fizzles. And yes, as long as the ability that turns it back into a creature is at instant speed (which it will be unless it says it is not) then it will be an enchantment before the kill spell resolves. -Reisen
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:57 pm
its all about the stack. noobs have a hard time grasping it but when u learn how to use it... it can be a lot of fun.....
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:41 pm
InfernalPenguin its all about the stack. noobs have a hard time grasping it but when u learn how to use it... it can be a lot of fun.....
basic understandin'.? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:09 pm
1313.EXE InfernalPenguin its all about the stack. noobs have a hard time grasping it but when u learn how to use it... it can be a lot of fun.....
basic understandin'.? sweatdrop yeah use the stack. it creates fun things to do to people. like earlier something about an enchantment was mentioned... yeah u need to understand it, but if u learn how to use it bk and bu just became ur new best friends
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