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 Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:09 pm
Ah, I didn't want to do this but...
This is something that I figured you might find helpful. It’s an excerpt that I typed out for you from a book I recently bought
Bisexuality
Perhaps no other word in the area of human behavior is used with such imprecision. First let’s talk about what Bisexuality does not mean. In the Classical culture of ancient Greece and Rome, many adult men were Bisexual in that they were married to women and had adolescent boys as lovers. This arrangement was probably responsible for some of the great epic and lyric poetry of Hellenic times. There was always an age difference between the males. The older man had to play the “active” and “masculine” role in intercourse. If he wanted to play the “passive” or “Feminine” role (he wanted to get ********), he became an object of ridicule. This kind of sexual arrangement is generally considered pederasty (sex with adolescents) and should not be confused with the sort of Bisexuality we want to discuss.
Similarly, we are not talking about sex between men who are normally heterosexual, but because of sexual deprivation (in prison, say) turn to one another. Nor would we call am man Bisexual who has sex exclusively with men all though he is capable of great emotional intimacy with women. We do not subscribe to Freud’s theory of bisexuality that everyone is bisexual at birth but at a certain point is unconsciously forced to choose either homosexuality or heterosexuality. Freud, like many at his age and culture, believed that the only correct choice was heterosexuality.
Nor are we talking about the so-called bisexuality of closeted gay men. Many Homosexual men pose as bisexuals though they only have sex with other men. Their “bisexuality” is a convenient if dishonest passport into heterosexual respectability: It’s often assumed for business or social reasons.
What then is a bisexual? A bisexual is someone who has sexual relationships with both sexes. A bisexual can have affairs with men and women simultaneously. Other bisexuals have long homosexual affairs that may last for years; the bisexual with then enter into an equivalent long-term heterosexual relationship. Obviously these arrangements may be fraught with complications. One great advantage to bisexuality is that it enables someone to play very different emotional and sexual roles. With a woman, the bisexual might be fatherly and assertive, and with another man, childlike and passive. With a woman he might be open cheerful and confiding, a true partner in the complex relationship, and with a man he might be impersonal, anonymous and passionately animal. Or he might be tender and supportive with a younger man and rather rough and competitive with an older woman. Homosexuality might be reserved for lasting relationships, and heterosexual for occasional thrills, or vice versa.
The possibilities are various, and not all of them entail a clear separation between sexual and psychic response. Some Bisexual men have arrived at the blend of traits usually considered “masculine” and “feminine.” They react to members of either sex in the same way.
There are sme problems in this polymorphous paradise. Truly bisexual men and women belong to one of the most persecuted groups in society. Both Gays and straights find them confusing, and their very existence threatens widely held preconceptions . Many Heterosexuals believe that if a Homosexual could know the joys of straight life, he would be an instant convert. Conversly, man gay men consider their own lives so clearly superior to the ”dullness of heterosexuality that they abscibe bisexuality to hpocracy and cowardice. And bisexuals are more often accused of being “promiscuous” than straight or gay men.
If you want to know about the book, or refrence quoting, PM me
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:18 am
Interesting. What's the book called? And who is it written by?
Also, the whole trouble-with-being-bi-thing. Uch. I can't tell you how much better I feel every time I hear someone say that. Because, yeah, in a lot of ways, being bi really, really sucks.
Fortunately not so much at my college, where the vast majority either consider themselves bi or straight/gay, but open.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:32 am
What are you talking about, Astri?
Bi is awesome.
If someone has a problem with you being in a same sex relationship, you can slip over to a different- sex relationship with usually no problems.
Bis can easily escape the prejudices of straight society, which is more dominant than the gay society.
No offense to gays or straights, of course.
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:23 pm
[Q] If someone has a problem with you being in a same sex relationship, you can slip over to a different- sex relationship with usually no problems. If you can slip from a homosexual relationship to a heterosexual relationship with no problems, then you have a problem. It means you obviously didn't love the guy/girl you were dating in the homosexual relationship. Yea, being would be hard.. I have a friend who's girlfriend is bi, and they love eachother, but she doesn't like the male anatomy, so they have some problems...
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:29 pm
Hence why "usually" was involved in my statement.
I don't like the bottom half of the male anatomy, either. Now. If guys had the bottom half of a woman, and the top half of a man, life would be good. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:36 pm
Um wow...this turned into an interesting little conversation...didnt it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:51 am
[Q] Hence why "usually" was involved in my statement. I don't like the bottom half of the male anatomy, either. Now. If guys had the bottom half of a woman, and the top half of a man, life would be good. 3nodding Okay, you are like this* close to saying you are most attracted to pre-pubescent girls, you realize that? *refers here to a very small space demonstrated by me between thumb and forefinger -- sadly, this is a messege board and you cannot see this space -- I am so overtired. One of the things I'm talking about, [Q], is people like you who fail to see anything past the surface and see being bi as just a walk-in-the-park, best-of-both-worlds scenario. The major problem is that bisexuals in general fit in neither the straight nor gay world. Bisexuals also have their own set of stereotypes and prejudices set against them -- often on top of the usual prejudices agaisnt hetero-/homosexuals held by the gay/straight communities. Now, American society as a whole is (on the surface) more accepting of a bi girl than a gay man. I'm not denying that. But it isn't real acceptence. It's "Wow, two girls together -- and she likes guys? -- sweet" or "Girls are always cuddling and touching and kissing anyway -- she must be really horny -- sweet" or "That's cool -- she's, like, a Deviant -- but I can still relate to her 'cause she's half-straight" or "At least she's not straight. She kinda gets it, at least" or...look, I'm really too tired to represent this correctly or effectively. *sigh* Nusumi If you can slip from a homosexual relationship to a heterosexual relationship with no problems, then you have a problem. It means you obviously didn't love the guy/girl you were dating in the homosexual relationship. Thank-you.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:07 am
Okay, I realise how shallow I must've sounded, but I'm happily engaged... So It's not like I just want the sex.
And I don't like prepubescent girls gonk It's more like I'm into the opposite of hermaphrodites(no sex genitals), which I can't think of the name for right now. gonk
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:54 am
Eunnuch?
My spelling sucks and I have no time to look up that word. If you can't figure it out refer back to the Harem Guards or Captain Jack Sparrow.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:46 pm
Astri Nusumi If you can slip from a homosexual relationship to a heterosexual relationship with no problems, then you have a problem. It means you obviously didn't love the guy/girl you were dating in the homosexual relationship. Thank-you. This is more to Nusumi, I'm just not sure whether Astri was extremely tired or being pointedly sarcastic. I'll take the second one. That's two separate things, Nusumi. Slipping quickly and easily between any two "serious" relationships is not a very good indicator that they "didn't love the [person they] were dating." Some people see the break-up ahead of time and prepare, other people aren't always so lucky. The other item is the suggestion that there should be any difficulty adjusting between a homosexual and heterosexual relationship (which there probably isn't). Being bisexual means that a person capable of loving the both traditional two genders (if not more), not that they carelessly trample people's love or that they don't care about their previous love interest. Adjusting from one relationship to the next is very much an individual thing. Inevitably, usually moving from an ended relationship to the next occurs when they no longer share that bond of "being in love." Therfore, these relationships end (regardless of the genders of the individuals involved) because they no longer "love" each other in the way it would be required to stay together. It isn't a characteristic of a specific sexual orientation, it applies to our cultural as a general whole.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:55 pm
Catspaw Eunnuch? My spelling sucks and I have no time to look up that word. If you can't figure it out refer back to the Harem Guards or Captain Jack Sparrow. Enuchs are castrated men. Being an enuch would be terribly painful, and I'm not just talking about the initial cutting. Think scar tissue. I don't think Jack Sparrow was an eunuch, he was just crazy from all the rum. Very old rum hidden on tropical islands that he probably made himself.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:08 pm
Kiething just confused me ever so. @__@
Oh, and Jack Sparrow didn't make that rum, he says why it was there in the movie..
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:21 am
The enuchs.. well they got castrated for the purpose of keeping their boyish voice or something didn't they o.O?
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:30 am
Damian Myrddin Keithing A medical doctor probably wouldn't be too great at doing this anyway, since sexual orientation appears to be more a mental tendency. That is not to say it is a disorder or "curable", but it is ingrained in your mind. I also heard somewhere that the chemicals in the head are involved o.O'' Does anybody know if this is true? Or can give me more info about it? It's been biologically proven that there is a part of the brain that is significantly smaller in Homosexual men than it is in Heterosexual men. That leads one to believe homosexuality is a genetic trait and not a chosen lifestyle.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:47 am
Keithing That's two separate things, Nusumi. Slipping quickly and easily between any two "serious" relationships is not a very good indicator that they "didn't love the [person they] were dating." Some people see the break-up ahead of time and prepare, other people aren't always so lucky. Keithing, my respect for you has risen with every post you've made in this thread. Generalizations, especially in matters that involve human relations, are generally wrong. As for bisexuality, I would like to see the source of that text, since your synopsis seems to describe me to a T.
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