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 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:20 pm
toxic_lollipop FreeArsenal Feminism is equality, not superiority, that's feminazism... crying
I think every woman should be treated like that. However society deems not shaving your legs as gross, for females. Even I find it gross not to shave my legs. And even though my Dad is so open about equality in that sense, he still has zero tolerence for a guy hitting a girl.Well, that's society...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:29 pm
That is a good point. I still think, however, abortion is a societal ill and makes it a harder world for people to live in. I think it makes it harder for people to take sex seriously....let's face it, regardless of religion, sex is a serious thing. It can get you into a lot of trouble if you treat it lightly. Sex for love is beautiful and I feel that God made sex for love...well because I believe in God...as well as to reproduce. Abortion as birth control makes it less so, though. It takes away from how serious it is. It's not like a condom or a pill, where it's preventative. It's a solution to the result of sex, a very serious result, a very serious solution, and it's marketed as no big deal.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:40 pm
Exactly my point. Society tells them that you cannot do certain things to females, and you must expect certain things from them ie. Not hitting a girl, expecting her to shave her legs etc.
Enabling such an attitude is not 'feminism' and yet I don't see any of these 'feminists' out fighting about this things. That's because it works in their favour. This doesn't make them 'feminazi's' as they're going by societies standards. A feminazi is someone that spells woman "womyn", blames men for all the problems on the earth etc. The 'feminists' that I'm speaking of are more pseudo feminists than anything.
The other end of the spectrum is of course the 'feminists' that think that women should never shave their legs, or any other part of their body. They should never wear bras, etc. These women believe that this things 'oppress' women, and they never stop to think that perhaps I like wearing a bra, and having shaved legs. They never stop to think that by not doing something that I would rather do, simply because their standards say that I shouldn't, it's simply a different form of oppression.
People are so caught up in all of this they don't look for the happy medium. They don't look for "Don't bind them by societies standards. But allow them to find their own." they simply find their own standards and fight for those.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:09 pm
lymelady That is a good point. I still think, however, abortion is a societal ill and makes it a harder world for people to live in. I think it makes it harder for people to take sex seriously....let's face it, regardless of religion, sex is a serious thing. It can get you into a lot of trouble if you treat it lightly. Sex for love is beautiful and I feel that God made sex for love...well because I believe in God...as well as to reproduce. Abortion as birth control makes it less so, though. It takes away from how serious it is. It's not like a condom or a pill, where it's preventative. It's a solution to the result of sex, a very serious result, a very serious solution, and it's marketed as no big deal.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:13 pm
Oh....yes. I never meant that was a bad thing particularly, though you know my views on the subject. I think the pressures being put on kids, though, is a bad thing. And I think that abortion being available as birth control spikes the pressure a LOT.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:18 pm
lymelady Oh....yes. I never meant that was a bad thing particularly, though you know my views on the subject. I think the pressures being put on kids, though, is a bad thing. And I think that abortion being available as birth control spikes the pressure a LOT.
He was also pro-life. Am I saying all pro-choice males would pressure a woman into sex? No. However I agree, they're more apt to do so as they have less to worry about. Even if they have no say, their pressure on a girl can have a lot of effect as well. If she's pressured into sex I think it's fairly safe to say she can be pressured into other things she may not agree with.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:28 pm
toxic_lollipop
Another good example is the whole "guys can't hit a girl" deal. How many feminists do you wager would have the same reaction to my boyfriend hitting me, as they would to me hitting my boyfriend? Exactly.
Awwe, did you have to use this as an example? sad
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:29 pm
I'm a good example. Well. I was. Used to be you could pressure me into anything. Probably why I cling to my faith so much when sex is in question. I am sure that a year ago, if I'd gotten pregnant, I could've been persuaded to have an abortion. It woulda killed me, maybe even literally. I'm so....prolife with abortion. I was then too, but it was possible to get me to do just about anything and....I dunno.
Lately I really have been searching to find why I feel so strongly on this. I think it's the social impact of it. I think it's that I see it as a threat to so many people and it makes me so angry.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:43 pm
raven_drake toxic_lollipop
Another good example is the whole "guys can't hit a girl" deal. How many feminists do you wager would have the same reaction to my boyfriend hitting me, as they would to me hitting my boyfriend? Exactly.
Awwe, did you have to use this as an example? sad
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:44 pm
lymelady I'm a good example. Well. I was. Used to be you could pressure me into anything. Probably why I cling to my faith so much when sex is in question. I am sure that a year ago, if I'd gotten pregnant, I could've been persuaded to have an abortion. It woulda killed me, maybe even literally. I'm so....prolife with abortion. I was then too, but it was possible to get me to do just about anything and....I dunno. Lately I really have been searching to find why I feel so strongly on this. I think it's the social impact of it. I think it's that I see it as a threat to so many people and it makes me so angry.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:45 pm
Friend's dad on a date. Picks girl up. Opens door to car for her. "I can open my own door. I don't need a man." Drives her, parks, gets out. doesn't open her door. she finally comes out, shocked. "Why didn't you get the door for me?"
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:48 pm
lymelady Friend's dad on a date. Picks girl up. Opens door to car for her. "I can open my own door. I don't need a man." Drives her, parks, gets out. doesn't open her door. she finally comes out, shocked. "Why didn't you get the door for me?"
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:54 pm
That's just common politeness. I believe in treating people...even just living things in general...with respect. Otherwise, why should anyone treat ME with respect? But some people are.....difficult for the sake of being difficult.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:57 pm
lymelady That's just common politeness. I believe in treating people...even just living things in general...with respect. Otherwise, why should anyone treat ME with respect? But some people are.....difficult for the sake of being difficult.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:02 pm
lymelady Don't listen to her. If a girl hits you enough, hit her back, please. Just don't hospitalize her. otherwise you're letting her get away with it and someone bigger and stronger is eventually gonna give her a swift kick and she'll be in bigger trouble. Hmm. Wish there were more guys with that mentality, anyway. Never hit a girl I mean. I like my (male) friend's philosophy: "I'd never hit a lady. But if she hits me first, she's no lady, and she's going down." I don't respect men or women who resort to violence, but I wouldn't respect a guy who wouldn't fight back just because his assailant is a woman, either. That really is a negative double standard, because it implies that a woman could never really do any damage to a man.
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