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 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:33 pm
But EC still prevents the egg from attaching to the uterus, whether conception has happened or not. So, if the egg has already received a sperm, it sounds like abortion to me.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:58 pm
Basically, EC can prevent pregnancy, it doesn't prevent conception.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:30 pm
EC is intended to prevent ovulation. If it FAILS at this it MIGHT prevent a fertilised egg from implanting.
I would give it away for free if I could.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:00 pm
That possibility is still too much.
And it also makes it quite reasonable for a Catholic, who doesn't believe in artificial BC at all, to want to refuse it to anyone, seeing as it's only use is BC.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:12 pm
La Veuve Zin EC is intended to prevent ovulation. If it FAILS at this it MIGHT prevent a fertilised egg from implanting. I would give it away for free if I could. I don't think you can, it's strong stuff and people might miss use it since it's not an all time thing. which is why they made other contraceptions (be nice if those are free but some may be too strong for people so that's why people should see a doctor first to make sure). And don't count it as abortion since the egg May be fertilised (it might not even be fertiliesed to beggin with) it's still not attached yet and mainly just cells since it might not even make it to the zyogote stange. That's the point, to prevent it becoming one which will turn into embryo,fetus(unborn baby). It doesn't work if your pregnant so it can't be abortion since you need to be pregnant to have an abortion and you only have 72 hours to take it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:14 pm
Still sounds like an abortion to me. If it's fertilized then, given time, it will grow. Why should it be any different whether it's attached to the uterus or not? That's like saying I stop being human once you freeze me, and keep me away from air, food, and water.
Just because I won't grow, and I can't eat, doesn't mean I'm not human.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:58 pm
Women are never pregnant with zygotes. They aren't pregnant for a week after conception, I think. The blastrula or gastrula, can't remember which.
Sorry, I know that's just a tiny little thing. I just wanted to make it clear that a human at the zygote stage won't ever be implanted yet.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:16 pm
Some of us do that, and some of you do that too. You must admit, we all pick and choose parts that are applicable to our causes. Leeches off society? That's both of us.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:51 pm
..Le Chat du Noir.. Some of us do that, and some of you do that too. You must admit, we all pick and choose parts that are applicable to our causes. Leeches off society? That's both of us. Yeah, but that's why that post is here, in our guild, in our haven, a place free of criticism and hate where we can feed of each others love of life.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:39 am
@Mako: He makes valid points as to why your side can frequently be seen as selfish and self-serving; I mean, it's obvious. What does your side want? The ability to "abort" and "terminate" a pregnancy because it is problematic. Generally, ya'll see this as protecting yourselves and your own rights; Thus, why male Pro-Choicers generally aren't all that vocal. On the other hand, our side, and I'll try not to sound all self-righteous, wants to protect someone else. Not because it makes our lives easier, in fact it could make our lives harder.
I really am having a hard time seeing the Pro-Life side as leeches on society. Only argument towards that that I can think of is, "Illegalizing abortion means there would be more people taking up resources, which leeches off of society!" But that's really roundabout, and can be countered by the fact that those same people would also be contributing to society for a net of almost no change.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:43 am
My impression when I read this was that it was a response in some ways to people who are pro-choice describing a fetus as a leech.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was a counter-argument, not just a random, "Hey, they suck!" thread.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:35 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:15 pm
sachiko_sohma La Veuve Zin EC is intended to prevent ovulation. If it FAILS at this it MIGHT prevent a fertilised egg from implanting. I would give it away for free if I could. I don't think you can, it's strong stuff and people might miss use it since it's not an all time thing. which is why they made other contraceptions (be nice if those are free but some may be too strong for people so that's why people should see a doctor first to make sure). I would give it away free after counseling the patient, I mean. It is something you don't want people accidentally misusing.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:53 pm
lymelady My impression when I read this was that it was a response in some ways to people who are pro-choice describing a fetus as a leech. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was a counter-argument, not just a random, "Hey, they suck!" thread. I wasn't really saying that they suck as much as that they are putting in social policy that is self indulgent, has no true benefit to society, and harms others, thus leeching off of others for their own purposes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:41 am
Another thing Pro-Choicers ignore is ADOPTION. God knows how many people want to adopt a baby, yet they would have to wait till they're too old to actually take care of one becouse someone keeps killing off all the babies!
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